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Post by sedge on Dec 3, 2018 20:59:29 GMT
I've got a smallish game against Westy tomorrow, Dwarves vs Skaven. Having lost the last two, I'm hoping for a different result this time around. We're doing 25% Lords/Heroes which should rule out the Grey Seer on Bell or Thanquol (End Times variant) that he's always taken previously. I'm therefore taking the risk of not bothering with magical defence. He's recently built a Hell Pit Abomination, so I'm expecting that to turn up - that means he won't have space for Stormfiends, but will either have a WLC or Doomwheel. I'm also finally bringing a BSB now it's painted, hence the second Thane to act as General. Finally, I'm bringing the Grudge Thrower as it's not painted, so Westy doesn't feel so bad about having failed so miserably in our painting challenge. I'll definitely write a report for this one. - Thane (general) - Fiery Ring of Thori, 1 x Rune of Might, Rune of Stone, Oath Stone, Shield (158)
- Thane - BSB, 2 x Rune of Fire, 1 x Rune of Iron, Rune of Stone, Shield (168)
- 20 Longbeards - shields, full command (290)
- 12 Quarrelers - great weapons (168)
- 20 Ironbreakers - full command (310)
- Gyrocopter (80)
- Cannon - Rune of Burning, Rune of Forging (150)
- Grudge Thrower - Rune of Accuracy, Rune of Forging, 1 x Rune of Penetrating (170)
- 10 Irondrakes - full command (180)
- Gyrobomber (125)
The characters are a bit short on defence in favour of having the 2 x breath weapons (gimmicky, but fun). The Oath Stone general will probably go in the Ironbreakers and the BSB in the Longbeards. I'm hoping the Grudge Thrower will help to thin down the inevitable hordes of infantry, though if there's a WLC it'll have to target that first. The Cannon will be tasked with taking out the HPA, as I don't know how I'd deal with it in combat; the backup is for the Irondrakes to sort it. The Gryos will probably be grounded for a bit as always (Storm Banner) but I'm hoping there's no Lvl 4 wizard, so hopefully less Howling Warpgale to deal with. |
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Post by livewaaaaagh on Dec 3, 2018 21:24:15 GMT
Good list, I think! Is the bomber for fluff/aesthetic/fun reasons or open to trading it? A group of miners could help for similar point value ge int he back lines and take take of WLC, or come from another flank and deal with another threat.
Is there a reason for no Runesmith? Do you think he won't bring magic?
The runes on the Grudge Thrower have essentially doubled its point cost. sometimes a naked grudge thrower will do its job (of course, other times it wont), but doubling the point cost of something is usually something I don't recommend on doing. Isn't there a 50-point max no runes on artillery? I could be wrong on this one, though. Don't have book in front of me.
Lastly, don't forget we get Hatred towards Skaven - always!
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Post by knoffles on Dec 3, 2018 22:32:33 GMT
It’s a 50pt rune limit on flame cannons and organ guns. Grudge throwers have a 100pt limit.
I hope the bomber comes good for you
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Post by sedge on Dec 3, 2018 22:33:43 GMT
The Gyrobomber I'm certain will one day work at thinning down hordes. It's been useless in the two games I've played it so far, but that's more because it kept dropping duds/scattering - it actually got a chance to fly, and should have done better. That said, I'm not set on sticking to it - however, I don't really know what to replace it with.
I don't have any Miners - I could have some scouting Rangers instead but would have to cut down my core Quarrelers to 10 to manage that. I do feel light on combat blocks (I prefer to have 3) but I'd need to drop something else as well to get a block of Hammerers or Slayers in (my only options).
I haven't used a Grudge Thrower before, but each rune seems to be worth it, and once you're adding one you want to add all three as they help to ensure the others pay off (it has a limit of 100 points of runes). You're right that as a whole I'm not sure it quite justifies the cost.
No Runesmith - I'm expecting him not to bring much/any magic and to try something different. Plus with two characters already, and only two combat blocks, I can't see it being worth bringing one.
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Post by Horace on Dec 4, 2018 11:18:43 GMT
I would personally not take the Grudge thrower. You would be way better off with another Cannon, or from slightly more left field, a Flame Cannon. Panic plus fiery templates.
I don't mind the lack of Runesmith, they are a big points sink and they do not guarantee safety from magic regardless, especially at low points values.
I would personally drop the Oath Stone (you shouldn't be getting flanked anyway) and possibly the second Thane all together, then invest in another block. With the points saved on the Grudge Thrower you should have enough for something half decent. I think a second sniping Cannon would pay more dividends than the Thrower anyway, especially when you already have templates via the Bomber
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Post by sedge on Dec 4, 2018 22:27:28 GMT
Thanks for the feedback - I wrestled with replacing the Grudge Thrower with a Flame Cannon (I don't have a 2nd regular Cannon) or dropping the bomber but decided to stick with it at end, as otherwise I'd end up completely reworking my list to get some Hammerers in. The game was a fun one - I'll get a report written up this week, but here's a preview of the epic 5-unit combat that decided things:  |
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Post by knoffles on Dec 5, 2018 8:34:14 GMT
I still always chuckle when I see Skaven characters leading ‘from the back’. I always thought it was such a great rule and in keeping with their fluff.
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Post by livewaaaaagh on Dec 5, 2018 12:41:48 GMT
Looking forward to hearing how it went!
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