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Post by grandmasterwang on May 10, 2019 0:03:14 GMT
Haha can't argue with that. I'd take prime Kroak over Nagash. Nagash was a a crack addict for Warpstone, couldn't function without the stuff. Kroak depended on no-one but himself. Nagash needed years to prepare for his big spell and a whole pyramid of magical aids. Kroak unleashed a cataclysm without that. Considering some epic heroes have been mentioned who are not as powerful as Nagash or Kroak I'll add a couple of less well known beings who are amazingly powerful but not world breaking magic users on the scale of the two mentioned above. Astragoth - The High Priest of Hashut. An ancient Master of the Lore of Hashut and highest ranking Chaos Dwarf mage still alive. Espleth Von Draken - Master of Death Magic but on the side of humans. Definitely a match for Balthazar Gelt. Exalted Lord of Change - A greater Greater Daemon of the Lord of Change and Magic. Exceptionally rare in the lore, only when magic is at its apex would one of these consider the Warhammer world worthy of its attention. Emperor Dragon Wizard Lord - The mightiest form of Dragon that has decided to learn the ways of magic and has spent thousands of years doing so. Exalted Vermin Lord - The Arch-daemons of the Horned Rat and most rare and powerful beings associated with the skaven. A snippet of lore and art on the Exalted Vermin Lord is included for your pleasure....... just so you know I'm not making these up
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Post by mottdon on May 10, 2019 4:43:59 GMT
Yeah, I'd have to say Kroak too. Dude's long dead and still hangs around kicking butt. Nagash, while powerful, has only ever used death magic, and has no morals holding him back. Who's to say Kroak couldn't do all he did and even better? He obviously knows how since he's dead yet still around when needed. I'd imagine that he just didn't establish it as a form of magic because of the horrors it would bring. Heck, I think Caledor is more powerful than Nagash. I think he was restrained from the route Nagash took for the same moral reasons as Kroak. Other than being the most powerful Necromancer there is, what other magic does he master? Seriously. I don't know if he has ever used anything else.
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 10, 2019 9:07:08 GMT
Thanquol? (Even with the old cyborg Boneripper and his near-constant mistakes, Thanquol was still a Grey Seer, one of the strongest of all Skavenkind in the magical arts) He is a fun character, but I don't he can come anywhere close to the top casters on the list. In the novel Temple of the Serpent, it is pretty clear that Thanquol is no match for a Slann (let alone Kroak). When he sees the Slann's magical aura from a distance, he gets out of dodge real fast (in true Skaven fashion)!! I didn't mean for him to be THE best caster in the list, but I would bet he would at least be above Balthasar or Mannfred.
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 10, 2019 9:09:15 GMT
He is a fun character, but I don't he can come anywhere close to the top casters on the list. In the novel Temple of the Serpent, it is pretty clear that Thanquol is no match for a Slann (let alone Kroak). When he sees the Slann's magical aura from a distance, he gets out of dodge real fast (in true Skaven fashion)!! I didn't mean for him to be THE best caster in the list, but I would bet he would at least be above Balthasar or Mannfred. In his own mind Thanquol is certainly the most powerful. At least after he's had a hit of Warpstone snuff
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 10, 2019 9:10:59 GMT
I didn't mean for him to be THE best caster in the list, but I would bet he would at least be above Balthasar or Mannfred. In his own mind Thanquol is certainly the most powerful. At least after he's had a hit of Warpstone snuff And as long as Gotrek isn't there to stop him
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Post by KevinC on May 10, 2019 12:23:04 GMT
Arkhan - Nagash's foremost Nehekharan pupil, Arkhan is one of the greatest living Necromancers -----------------Living? ?
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 10, 2019 14:24:14 GMT
He is a fun character, but I don't he can come anywhere close to the top casters on the list. In the novel Temple of the Serpent, it is pretty clear that Thanquol is no match for a Slann (let alone Kroak). When he sees the Slann's magical aura from a distance, he gets out of dodge real fast (in true Skaven fashion)!! I didn't mean for him to be THE best caster in the list, but I would bet he would at least be above Balthasar or Mannfred. Fair enough. I think you're right that he could have been apart of the list. Originally, I was going to have the list consist purely of Kroak, Nagash and Teclis, because in many of these debates those are the 3 names that are often thrown about. Since that felt a bit restrictive, I looked up a couple of past discussions and complied a list from there. As it turns out... the list only needed Kroak and Nagash!
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 10, 2019 14:30:09 GMT
Arkhan - Nagash's foremost Nehekharan pupil, Arkhan is one of the greatest living Necromancers -----------------Living? ? Fair point!
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Post by knoffles on May 10, 2019 16:47:47 GMT
I pretty much echo the theme. Kroak then Nagash. It’s a difficult one as not a huge amount is written about ‘living Kroak’ but a lot has been written about Nagash. His plan and spell to turn ever living thing to undeath almost made me put him first. The fact it took months of prep (and didn’t succeed due to this pesky rats) is almost irrelevant as that wasn’t something to consider in the brief 😉. Also by the time he was killed, he was more of a ‘super’ liche not alive and his power had grown and not diminished in this state (ha! take that mummified kroak!).
Does anyone else think the story of Kroak and the daemons sounds like one that gets exaggerated at every telling. “No seriously, there was like a bazillion daemons and a full 100 bloodthirsters and he froze them all with a thousand yard stare”. The embarrassing truth was the temple guard carrying him tripped walking down the steps and he fell off the palanquin and broke his neck. 😂
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Post by kroak on May 10, 2019 17:01:35 GMT
I pretty much echo the theme. Kroak then Nagash. It’s a difficult one as not a huge amount is written about ‘living Kroak’ but a lot has been written about Nagash. Even if I am not specifically mentioned, it is said that the first generation slann rearanged the continents and moved the Warhammer planet closer to the sun. The embarrassing truth was the temple guard carrying him tripped walking down the steps and he fell off the palanquin and broke his neck. 😂 Psst.
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Post by killerangel on May 13, 2019 9:15:24 GMT
I've cast (ahah) another vote for Kroak
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 17, 2019 3:18:36 GMT
We finally have a vote for somebody outside of Kroak or Nagash!
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 17, 2019 8:27:18 GMT
We finally have a vote for somebody outside of Kroak or Nagash! Although it’s the other character that came up most frequently in discussions (Teclis) so not too much of a surprise
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 17, 2019 15:15:58 GMT
We finally have a vote for somebody outside of Kroak or Nagash! Although it’s the other character that came up most frequently in discussions (Teclis) so not too much of a surprise Those were the original 3 I thought about when coming up with this poll.
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