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Post by beastyboy on Jun 4, 2019 11:34:39 GMT
I am crafting a new list to take advantage of all the free marks i can get my grubby beastman hands on when it came like a bolt from the blue why not double bestigor... I face double stank and double demi knights all the time why not give a little back !!
So this list uses the 25% lords heros
And beastmen get free marks!
Beastlord (Mark of nurgle) sword of swift slaying , talisman preservation , uncanny sence' s
Gt bray shamen (mark of nurgle) level 4 dispell scroll talisman of endurance fencers blades (lore of shadows )
Wargor bsb 206 with (mark of nurgle)
42 x gor ehw full command mark of nurgle
Bsb goes im here
2 x Tuskagor chariots slanesh
3 x5 ungor raiders slanesh
39 x bestigor full command mk of nurgle
Banner of discipline
Beastlord slots in here
39 x bestigor full command mk of nurgle
Banner of eternal flame
Gt bray slots in here
2x5 harpies
So there she blows .
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Post by mithras on Jun 5, 2019 9:24:20 GMT
Looks like a very solid list to me + 2 big bad besti hordes will look awesome!
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Post by beastyboy on Jun 5, 2019 9:34:13 GMT
Looks like a very solid list to me + 2 big bad besti hordes will look awesome! That's what I'm thinking evan the strength 4 gors can operate fairly well in combat without magical assistance . |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jun 6, 2019 6:41:12 GMT
For pure offence I like Khornegor a lot (Bestigor with Mark of Khorne). I've never gone 40 strong with such a unit though.
With a Horde the Mark of Nurgle may work better but it's something to keep in mind. 40 strength 6 attacks, hopefully with rerolls to hit are nothing to sneeze at.
Mark of Slaanesh works really well on the small units which you have gone for however from the perspective of 'free' marks they are only 1 point compared with 2 points for Mark of Tzeentch or Khorne. Tzeentch ward save on a chariot isn't a bad idea.
Let us know how it goes!
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jun 6, 2019 6:44:56 GMT
Actually I reread your post with the GB and Beastlord nurgle marked guys each going in a different Bestigor unit so this would limit you to the same mark.
I do think that 1 or the chariots swapping to Khorne from Slaanesh would help though (also it's more points efficient, 10 free points vs 5) as the frenzy means they won't be panicked anyway and the offensive boost is quite large with 4 extra attacks including one GW Strength 6.
Free marks for Beastmen is certainly a nice way to boost them.
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Post by beastyboy on Jun 6, 2019 7:12:04 GMT
Actually I reread your post with the GB and Beastlord nurgle marked guys each going in a different Bestigor unit so this would limit you to the same mark. I do think that 1 or the chariots swapping to Khorne from Slaanesh would help though (also it's more points efficient, 10 free points vs 5) as the frenzy means they won't be panicked anyway and the offensive boost is quite large with 4 extra attacks including one GW Strength 6. Free marks for Beastmen is certainly a nice way to boost them. Khorne marks dont affect the Tuskagors 😢 |
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Post by beastyboy on Jun 6, 2019 7:26:04 GMT
For pure offence I like Khornegor a lot (Bestigor with Mark of Khorne). I've never gone 40 strong with such a unit though. With a Horde the Mark of Nurgle may work better but it's something to keep in mind. 40 strength 6 attacks, hopefully with rerolls to hit are nothing to sneeze at. Mark of Slaanesh works really well on the small units which you have gone for however from the perspective of 'free' marks they are only 1 point compared with 2 points for Mark of Tzeentch or Khorne. Tzeentch ward save on a chariot isn't a bad idea. Let us know how it goes! I've always been a fan of nurgle marked bestigor with a shadow shaman because you can get them hitting you on 6's . As to smaller units of bestigor under 30 I would say khorne is optimal but I've done smaller units before ( before glotkin and marks ) and evan though they have won a combat , that unit of bestigor is down to three ranks now or less and because of always strike last that 300+ point unit is now just a speed bump . |
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Post by Horace on Jun 6, 2019 11:08:05 GMT
Why do you take free marks? Is that from the adjusted army book in the rules development forum?
Have you tried just giving them access to marks like they get in the End Times book? And Eye of the Gods for that matter?
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Post by beastyboy on Jun 6, 2019 11:19:54 GMT
Why do you take free marks? Is that from the adjusted army book in the rules development forum? Have you tried just giving them access to marks like they get in the End Times book? And Eye of the Gods for that matter? This is the current tripple crown comp i belive. Beastmen can take free marks as described the glotkin. Brets get devastating charge and all of there 0-1 taken away . |
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Post by Horace on Jun 6, 2019 13:25:07 GMT
I don't think the 0-1 or 1+ stuff applies to Brets anyway. That is part of the Marshalling the Host section of the armybook which is errata-ed away
Page 64-65 – Marshalling the Host.
Ignore these pages and use the rules for ‘Choosing Your Army’
in the Warhammer rulebook.
These choosing troop rules (the 0-1 etc) are laid out on page 65 so would be ignored..
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Post by beastyboy on Jun 6, 2019 14:06:28 GMT
Double cheaked and the units it applies to are grail knights grail relic and battle pilgrims and Pegasus knights ...
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Post by frozenfood on Jun 8, 2019 18:33:23 GMT
Let us know how it worked out
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 8, 2019 21:52:32 GMT
Double cheaked and the units it applies to are grail knights grail relic and battle pilgrims and Pegasus knights ... What Horace said. If I am allowed to quote myself here: I would agree with chaosreigns that the requirement for at least one unit of KotR no longer exists. It is not just that the ammendments delete the relevant paragraph in the side bar. Bretonnia Official Update Version 1.6, p. 2: also specifies: Page 64-65 – Marshalling the Host. Ignore these pages and use the rules for ‘Choosing Your Army’in the Warhammer rulebook. However, these deleted rules were the basis for applying the numbers: "In some cases other limitations and/or requirements may apply to a particular kind of unit. This is specified in the unit entry. For example, Knights of the Realm have a +1 note in front of their entry, denoting that at least one unit of them must always be taken. Other units, such as Grail Knights, are accompanied by a note (ie. 0-1) explaining that a maximum of one unit of this kind can be included in the army." Since this basis is null and void, and the BRB does not contain anything similar, the numbers as such are null and void too. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jun 9, 2019 6:50:18 GMT
Actually I reread your post with the GB and Beastlord nurgle marked guys each going in a different Bestigor unit so this would limit you to the same mark. I do think that 1 or the chariots swapping to Khorne from Slaanesh would help though (also it's more points efficient, 10 free points vs 5) as the frenzy means they won't be panicked anyway and the offensive boost is quite large with 4 extra attacks including one GW Strength 6. Free marks for Beastmen is certainly a nice way to boost them. Khorne marks dont affect the Tuskagors 😢 Wha wha wha? Next you'll be telling me I can't get 5 attacks out of my Khorne marked Razorgor chariot... Lies I tell ya... lies. |
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Post by beastyboy on Jun 9, 2019 10:04:39 GMT
Khorne marks dont affect the Tuskagors 😢 Wha wha wha? Next you'll be telling me I can't get 5 attacks out of my Khorne marked Razorgor chariot... Lies I tell ya... lies. I lent my copy of glotkin but im pretty sure marks dont affect the crew . |
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