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Post by strutsagget on Dec 13, 2019 13:02:03 GMT
So in snipe rules it says:
“The Sniper can shoot at any model he can see, including characters or champions within a unit and so on – the controlling player simply declares which model will be the Sniper’s target – “Look out Sir!” cannot be taken.”
Excerpt From
WARHAMMER RULEBOOK
Does this override so you can shoot into combat?
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Dec 13, 2019 14:09:21 GMT
No. The Sniper rule allows you to target any model you can see, but does not give you permission anywhere to ignore any other rules in regards to shooting.
In other words, the target still needs to otherwise be a legal, valid target for shooting.
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Post by strutsagget on Dec 13, 2019 14:40:08 GMT
No. The Sniper rule allows you to target any model you can see, but does not give you permission anywhere to ignore any other rules in regards to shooting. In other words, the target still needs to otherwise be a legal, valid target for shooting. You are probably right. But Why not? It is the same rule choosing viable targets isn’t it? And this special rule trumps them all. SHOOTING INTO COMBAT is a part of CHOOSE A TARGET. Snipe rules obviously trumps the choose a target rule. |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 13, 2019 16:13:02 GMT
You could just as well argue that this would override the rule that a target must be in range of your weapon. However, normal rules apply, unless specifically stated otherwise. Since the Sniper rule does not specifically state that you can shoot in CC, you cannot, just like you cannot shoot at targets that you can see but are not in range.
Of course, you have to read the sentence in its context:
BRB p. 75: "A model making a Sniper shot can shoot at a different target from the one chosen by his unit. A hit from a Sniper shot is not distributed in the same manner as other shooting attacks. The Sniper can shoot at any model he can see, including characters or champions within a unit and so on — the controlling player simply declares which model will be the Sniper's target — "Look out Sir!" cannot be taken."
The last sentence is the explanation of the first two, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Dec 13, 2019 16:17:08 GMT
Because there is no explicit permission allowing shooting into combat, only one allowing you to pick a specific model. As a permissive ruleset, the rules will specifically call out their exemptions. Without something that specifically contradicts "Models are not permitted to shoot at enemies that are engaged in close combat..."(pg. 39, small edition rules) such as the Skavenslaves rule, it's not allowed to do so.
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Post by strutsagget on Dec 13, 2019 16:18:31 GMT
Then why write it like that? As basic shooting says you need too see the target to begin with.
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Post by strutsagget on Dec 13, 2019 16:21:05 GMT
What i am saying is why write the first part when you only allow the second part? First part of the sentence is unnecessary and sloppy. obviously you can not shoot anything he can see.
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Dec 13, 2019 16:22:42 GMT
Then why write it like that? As basic shooting says you need too see the target to begin with. Because you might be able to see a unit but not the specific model you wish to Sniper. "Seeing" a target has very specific rules in the shooting section(within forward arc and within line of sight). For example, firing from the rear of a unit, you can see the unit, but most likely not be able to draw LoS to a single character in the front rank per Pg. 10, thus you can not see that character. |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 13, 2019 16:26:23 GMT
As I indicated above, the last sentence explains what has preceded, in particular: "A hit from a Sniper shot is not distributed in the same manner as other shooting attacks." Left at that, you would not know what you are supposed to do. It is explained by "The Sniper can shoot at any model he can see, including characters or champions within a unit and so on — the controlling player simply declares which model will be the Sniper's target — "Look out Sir!" cannot be taken."
So, it is about how a hit of a Sniper shot is distributed, nothing else.
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