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Post by Horace on Sept 22, 2017 18:37:29 GMT
Any of you fine chaps have any updated rules for these? If not I can probably put some together Ta
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Sept 23, 2017 11:32:51 GMT
War Wagon rules are in the Dark Tidings campaign rules.
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Post by Horace on Sept 25, 2017 13:03:19 GMT
Cool thanks. I'll have a look at recosting the Elector counts this weekend
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Post by Horace on Sept 26, 2017 14:23:20 GMT
I have been pondering the rules for Boris Todbringer. His 4th edition rules give him the Talisman of Ulric which heals a wound at the start of each of his turns (for 30 points). This is obviously drastically undercosted by today's standards, all the healing items have been toned down a bit in 8th from what I can see. The Daemons/Chaos/Undead healing all require wounds to be done in close combat in order to heal wounds. Chaos & Undead both roll die for each wound and on a 6 it heals a single wound (10 points). Daemons get it back automatically but it costs 50 points. How would you cost the Talisman of Ulric? Or would you adjust it so it only works on a 4+ or 6+? I am thinking it would cost along the lines of 60 points for an auto-wound heal. That would put him at ~275 points with a stat-line the same as Marius Leitdorf. Any suggestions to alter this are welcome as the other Elector counts stat-lines could be differentiated a bit I had a look at the Cult of Ulric rules for him but they seem way overpowered/undercosted for what he is. He heals ALL his wounds every turn, gets MR(1), Immune to Psychology, hates all models with Ld under 6 and costs 275 points Aldebrand Ludenhof is a fairly easy one, he just gets a crappy extra hawk attack. He could perhaps get an extra +1 S since he is supposed to be "immensely strong and fit, making him a match for larger heavier opponents" Valmir Von Raukov is also relatively easy. He is basically armed with the Reaver bow. He could gain a pip of BS. Do these sound reasonable? A bit dull? Input welcome
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Post by KevinC on Sept 26, 2017 14:43:49 GMT
The way I'd do it is: Elector Counts should have the profile of a standard General of the Empire (indeed, this unit entry is based on the original profiles of the Elector Counts).
For Talisman of Ulric, I make it like the original item. At the start of each Empire turn, the bearer of the Talisman of Ulric recovers 1 Wound that was lost previously in the game. I could see adding a Magic Resistance as well. I'd estimate about 30 points in regards to the healing ability.
I thought Valmir was the "immensely strong" one? I'd make him S5, and if it is Valmir, allow his bow to be resolved using his own Strength value (5). It does not even have to be a magic item. Something like, the Reaver Bow has a range of 36" and all hits with the weapon are resolved with the Strength Value of the bearer. Then make one of Valmir's special rules: Multiple shots (x3),
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Post by Horace on Sept 26, 2017 19:05:46 GMT
The Reaver Bow is 25 points for 30" Multiple Shots (3) Strength User +1 so would fit the old Dragon Bow almost perfectly.
Valmir is described as being "hardy" and having spent his life fighting Chaos etc.
Aldebrand is described as above. Leitdorf is supposed to be an exceptional fighter (he has +1 WS over a standard general). He is actually very good value Leitdorf, his whole kit basically comes to practically his cost and you get +1 WS, although you do have the handicap of his potentially bad madness.
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Post by Horace on Sept 29, 2017 9:27:34 GMT
Well this is where I have got to with Boris, I just left him with Leitdorf's statline for now. The crush the weak special rule I found in the Storm of Chaos rules (hates Ld6 or less) but I have not included this yet. Do you think he needs some special rules?
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Sept 29, 2017 12:08:29 GMT
I'd like to see the talisman include a 6++ or some kind of MR. He seems easy to kill even not knowing his points.
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Post by Horace on Sept 29, 2017 12:31:20 GMT
His Storm of Chaos rules were all wounds recovered (which is overpowered by 8th standards - no other magic items are nearly as powerful as that), MR (1) & Immune to Psychology from the talisman. Could add in the ItP & MR (1/2) or 5++.
Which do you think is more appropriate?
His cost, including Full Plate Armour, Shield, Barded Horse etc I think would be around 275 points
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Post by KevinC on Sept 29, 2017 14:40:51 GMT
For an additional ability for the Talisman, it could be to reroll failed armour saves. Considering he has a 1+ armour save, the ability to reroll armour saves plus to heal a wound each time would make for make for good defense.
Additionally, he should have Hatred (Beastmen) and/or even some kind of obsession rule regarding Khazarak One-Eye, who is his archenemy that took his eye. Perhaps he gains the Frenzy special rule if Khazarak is also on the table.
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Post by Horace on Sept 29, 2017 15:06:00 GMT
For an additional ability for the Talisman, it could be to reroll failed armour saves. Considering he has a 1+ armour save, the ability to reroll armour saves plus to heal a wound each time would make for make for good defense. Additionally, he should have Hatred (Beastmen) and/or even some kind of obsession rule regarding Khazarak One-Eye, who is his archenemy that took his eye. Perhaps he gains the Frenzy special rule if Khazarak is also on the table. The Hatred Beastmen and frenzy rule is a good call. I think if I give him a dawnstone rolled in he will have to cost a little more points. I think he would end up bring something like: re-roll armour save or 5++ = 290 points 6++ & MR(1) = 280 points I have almost finished Aldebrand Ludenhof, will post him up in a bit
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Post by Horace on Sept 30, 2017 13:57:40 GMT
Here is Aldebrand Ludenhof if anyone has any feedback. He would be substantially cheaper than Boris, around Marius Leitdorf points. He was quite a bit more difficult to make a good entry for, there isn't a great deal of story around him and no artwork I could find.
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Post by Horace on Sept 30, 2017 20:02:44 GMT
My brother's suggestion: +1 str is pointless with Runefang. If he is supposed to be an expert strategist then +1 to the first turn roll
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Post by Naitsabes on Oct 1, 2017 3:10:09 GMT
yep, I wouldn't make any human S5.
It would be cool if his 'expert strategist' trait was reflected somehow. How about he gets to hold one unit back and it is not deployed until the entire enemy army is set up? No idea how to cost something like that.
The other thing I would suggest is that the Elector Counts need to be your general unless Karl Franz is present. And, maybe you should not be allowed to field more than one (again unless you have Karl Franz). This would reflect their political status.
How do you do these professional looking backgrounds? Do you have a template you can share?
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Post by Horace on Oct 1, 2017 5:56:53 GMT
yep, I wouldn't make any human S5. It would be cool if his 'expert strategist' trait was reflected somehow. How about he gets to hold one unit back and it is not deployed until the entire enemy army is set up? No idea how to cost something like that. The other thing I would suggest is that the Elector Counts need to be your general unless Karl Franz is present. And, maybe you should not be allowed to field more than one (again unless you have Karl Franz). This would reflect their political status. How do you do these professional looking backgrounds? Do you have a template you can share? Yep I can send you the blank background. I just attacked the blankest page I could find on a pdf with GIMP. It is all just a combination of snipping tool, GIMP and the correct font (which is caslon antique)
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