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Post by Sunfangsunburn on Oct 23, 2017 12:41:35 GMT
High elves only lose when the player f***s up. Bastards are fast, great magic, fabulous tactics and best beast in the game. Ten out ten would date. They also have one of the best banners in the entire game. As far as the Frostheart goes, it is definitely one of the best monsters in the game, although I would personally give the edge to the HPA. High Elves are my main army and to be honest I never run the pheonix. I tend to run Sea guard heavy lists, elite infantry lists, or mass Cavalry (I have way too many Dragon Princes). BOTWD is insane and in a block of 15 Dragon Princes with heroes and Tyrion if possible is probably my favorite hammer.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Oct 23, 2017 15:16:18 GMT
They also have one of the best banners in the entire game. As far as the Frostheart goes, it is definitely one of the best monsters in the game, although I would personally give the edge to the HPA. High Elves are my main army and to be honest I never run the pheonix. Is that a choice you make based on personal preference/style or do you feel that there are more potent choices available in the army book? How would you rate the power level of the phoenix?
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Post by Sunfangsunburn on Oct 23, 2017 15:30:55 GMT
High Elves are my main army and to be honest I never run the pheonix. Is that a choice you make based on personal preference/style or do you feel that there are more potent choices available in the army book? How would you rate the power level of the phoenix? It's a mix of both for me. Personally I think I get more out of the points in other units. The Pheonix is a nasty customer, but it really shines in a fight with a unit like White Lions or Pheonix Guard along side. My opponents won't let that happen anymore and I'd prefer more infantry/cavalry to fit my taste so I would rather mass out another unit myself.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Oct 23, 2017 17:06:30 GMT
Is that a choice you make based on personal preference/style or do you feel that there are more potent choices available in the army book? How would you rate the power level of the phoenix? It's a mix of both for me. Personally I think I get more out of the points in other units. The Pheonix is a nasty customer, but it really shines in a fight with a unit like White Lions or Pheonix Guard along side. My opponents won't let that happen anymore and I'd prefer more infantry/cavalry to fit my taste so I would rather mass out another unit myself. That makes sense. Great stuff!
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Post by grandmasterwang on Oct 24, 2017 2:11:41 GMT
My 4 votes: --High Elves --Dark Elves --Wood Elves --Warriors of Chaos I'm going to copy this list for my 4 upper tier. I know 4 were asked for but I'll also add Daemons of Chaos. So 5 upper tier armies from me. Daemons have amazing units like Beasts of Nurgle and the broken Skull Cannon of of Khorne. Unfortunately the book has terrible internal balance (That Mat Ward tool, 7th Edition Daemons while broken had better internal balance) but the strong options are very strong.
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Post by knoffles on Oct 25, 2017 14:43:23 GMT
WoC, Dark and a High Elves from me. I'm not saying any are easy mode but Warriors and DEs just have such solid core choices that it's difficult to field a subpar list (yes it's possible but unless you are a fluffy player or challenging yourself, you just wouldn't). High elves have lots of tools but I think are more challenging to play than the other two. I wasn't sure on the 4th choice. WEs are meant to be solid (not so far in my hands) but are also meant to be one of the hardest to master (as per the internet so must be true...). As such, I put this down to player skill whereas the above 3 are more out of the box and use.
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Oct 25, 2017 15:28:23 GMT
My Beastmen army is 90% cooked. My next army project will be Wood Elves.
"Take to the Trees in '18" (goes out and pre-purchases gallons of green paint)
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Oct 25, 2017 15:46:06 GMT
WEs are meant to be solid (not so far in my hands) but are also meant to be one of the hardest to master (as per the internet so must be true...). As such, I put this down to player skill whereas the above 3 are more out of the box and use. I think Wood Elves have always historically been a finesse army. Absolutely deadly in the right hands.
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Post by henning on Oct 25, 2017 16:04:20 GMT
WEs are meant to be solid (not so far in my hands) but are also meant to be one of the hardest to master (as per the internet so must be true...). As such, I put this down to player skill whereas the above 3 are more out of the box and use. I think Wood Elves have always historically been a finesse army. Absolutely deadly in the right hands. The last big 8th ed tournament I went to, I saw 2 wood elf armies absolutely smash the WoC armies. The Chaos players weren’t bad either, the one guy was top 3 in our country and he lost vs both wood elf armies. So I don’t rate WoC as top anymore but rather as a very good mid tier army.
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Post by mahbruck on Oct 26, 2017 11:27:37 GMT
I think Wood Elves have always historically been a finesse army. Absolutely deadly in the right hands. The last big 8th ed tournament I went to, I saw 2 wood elf armies absolutely smash the WoC armies. The Chaos players weren’t bad either, the one guy was top 3 in our country and he lost vs both wood elf armies. So I don’t rate WoC as top anymore but rather as a very good mid tier army. Just curious, what was that last big tournament did you attend to? My last tournament was like eons ago in the 6th edition, 2007 GT Heat 2 in Nottingham. Got to fourth place with my High Elves, which still stood as my highest achievement in the game
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Post by henning on Oct 26, 2017 14:45:49 GMT
The last big 8th ed tournament I went to, I saw 2 wood elf armies absolutely smash the WoC armies. The Chaos players weren’t bad either, the one guy was top 3 in our country and he lost vs both wood elf armies. So I don’t rate WoC as top anymore but rather as a very good mid tier army. Just curious, what was that last big tournament did you attend to? My last tournament was like eons ago in the 6th edition, 2007 GT Heat 2 in Nottingham. Got to fourth place with my High Elves, which still stood as my highest achievement in the game Ah it was so long ago 😭 probably the end of 2014 regional tournament in South Africa. Small tournament of <20 people but there was some talent.
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Post by strutsagget on Oct 31, 2017 14:48:08 GMT
This makes me curious. I wonder how they built their WE list to be competitive. I am full aware that my losses most likely comes down to me being a bad general/low experience with both my own and my opponents units to know when to attack and win or expect to loose.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Oct 31, 2017 15:34:59 GMT
This makes me curious. I wonder how they built their WE list to be competitive. I am full aware that my losses most likely comes down to me being a bad general/low experience with both my own and my opponents units to know when to attack and win or expect to loose. Wood Elves have always been a real finesse army. I think they are extremely powerful when used correctly, but are not very forgiving if you make tactical mistakes.
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Oct 31, 2017 19:08:47 GMT
This makes me curious. I wonder how they built their WE list to be competitive. I am full aware that my losses most likely comes down to me being a bad general/low experience with both my own and my opponents units to know when to attack and win or expect to loose. Wood Elves have always been a real finesse army. I think they are extremely powerful when used correctly, but are not very forgiving if you make tactical mistakes. The reason I don’t love Wood Elves, at least for a tournament, is this: They are a finesse army, meaning (IMHO) you can win games by taking out 1 or 2 or 3 small units and making sure you don’t lose any big units of your own. They can spellcast and snipe and shoot and dance around, which gets some folks rocks off. They are a finesse army, meaning (IMHO) you can lose games by charging your elite units into a protracted grind against units of 40 strong Dwarf infantry. Or into a 5x6 bus of Chaos Warriors. Pretty much, you only lose when you make bad charges. I didn’t just pack up 3 cases of minis for travel and then drive 3 hours one way to NOT fight. If I show up, I want to brawl. Smash. Winner take all. That’s just me. Spellcasting, sniping, shooting, and dancing around is the equivalent of being a Hobgoblin Sneaky Git. Pretty much I equate Wood Elves to that army that shows up and avoids a real fight and wins the “Victory Point Battle”. And that doesn’t always do it for me. Now that I’ve said that… and now that I am painting up a Wood Elf army in the next 12 months… y’all can feel free to keep this and throw it back at me. I may have to eat my words.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Nov 1, 2017 7:13:05 GMT
This makes me curious. I wonder how they built their WE list to be competitive. I am full aware that my losses most likely comes down to me being a bad general/low experience with both my own and my opponents units to know when to attack and win or expect to loose. Wild Riders make an exceptional and super swift hammer and aren't that expensive in points. I didn't see a single 'competitive' 8th Wood Elf army which didn't feature at least one unit of them. I'm sure the builds varied a bit but they all seemed to feature Wild Riders.
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