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Post by wilsonthenarc on Aug 14, 2018 16:25:23 GMT
Hey All. Remember there was this thing called the End Times? One (well, two) of the great things about the End Times was big ol’ infantry for Chaos Warriors. You know, the ones that went on 40mm x 40mm bases. Namely, the Wrathmongers and/or Skullreapers [Khorne], and of course the Putrid Blightkings [Nurgle]. Sidetrack: By the by… I try to be fair and balanced. But do you realize a box of 5 Wrathmongers goes for $113 on the GW site? But…. What? These are the prices where I just say “No sir, I won’t do it”.I know we have some rules for EEFL (8th edition rules) big dudes. They might, at the point, be a hybrid of {1} the official square-based rules offered up by GW during the End Times and {2} what we all use in our small playgroup. They’re suitably nasty. Great to play with, strong stats, fair prices, etc. I am going to scour the forum tonight, but if anyone reads this and can put their fingers on the stats/rules for those models I would appreciate it. Why? Cause I want to make rules for similar “Big” Chaotic Infantry for Slaanesh. Mmmm, Slaanesh
I have me some miniatures that fit better on 40mm x 40mm base. They’re Slaaneshii, so maybe they get “Immune to Psychology” or even better “Always Strikes First” or even a thematically on point rule like “Enemies must test against their LD to attack this unit in combat”. In general, the rules for Big Dudes, i.e. regular infantry on 40mm x 40mm bases were good but had 2 or 3 non-intuitive points. 1). They were regular infantry, not Monstrous Infantry. This had all sorts of non-intuitive implications. Like, a dragon could stomp Wrathmongers but not Ogres, despite them being very similarly sized and on the same size base. 2). IIRC, the front rank got full attacks (i.e. Khorne dudes got 3 + 1 + 1) but the back rank only got 1 supporting attack. Yes? 3). IIRC, they still needed a frontage 5 wide to “count” as a rank. Yes? Any other relevant rules for playing regular infantry on 40mm x 40mm bases I should be aware of? --Tagging KevinC as a “Ad Hoc New 8th Rules Boss” --Tagging chuckjerry cause I know he plays the Khorne dudes pretty regularly --Tagging TheREALricksalamone cause I have seen him play both the Khorne dudes and the Nurgle dudes before |
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Aug 14, 2018 16:44:44 GMT
Namely, the Wrathmongers and/or Skullreapers [Khorne], and of course the Putrid Blightkings [Nurgle]. Sidetrack: By the by… I try to be fair and balanced. But do you realize a box of 5 Wrathmongers goes for $113 on the GW site? But…. What? These are the prices where I just say “No sir, I won’t do it”.The boxes of five (5) for the Wrathmongers, Skullreapers, and Putrid Blightkings can be found today on eBay for $46 to $48. Not too shabby! |
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Post by strutsagget on Aug 14, 2018 16:46:03 GMT
When i look its about $57 for 5 which is expansive where do you get 108? Canadian?
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Aug 14, 2018 16:54:48 GMT
When i look its about $57 for 5 which is expansive where do you get 108? Canadian? My PC was showing Australian prices, mate. Didgeridoo. |
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Aug 15, 2018 22:07:48 GMT
For reference…
SkullReapers = M4 WS6 BS3 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld8; Armor 4+. 2x Handweapons (+1S, Magical attacks with the Extra Attack special rule), MoK (Frenzy); 40 points/ea [special]
Wrathmongers = M4 WS6 BS3 S5 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld8; Armor 4+. Paired Wrath-flails (+1S first round of combat, Extra Attack, Impact hits D3), MoK (Frenzy); 55 points/ea [rare]
Putrid Blightkings = M4 WS6 BS3 S4 T5 W3 I5 A3 Ld8; Armor 3+. Bountiful blades (choice, GW or THW or HWS), MoN (-1 to hit); 40 points/ea [special]
Proposed…
Option 1) Slaanesh Pretorians = M5 WS6 BS3 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld8; Armor 4+. Shiny & Distracting, Poisoned Attacks {Halberd}, MoS (Imm to Psych); 42 points/ea [special]
-Shiny & Distracting: Any enemy unit that wishes to attack Pretorians must pass a Ld test. If the test is failed, that unit may not attack the Pretorians for this round of combat; the unit that failed it’s Ld test may attack other enemies if possible. --Test separately for each unit. Test separately for each character within a unit. **This seems to be a semi standard Slaanesh attribute.
Option 2) Slaanesh Pretorians = M5 WS6 BS3 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld8; Armor 4+. ASF, Halberd, MoS (Imm to Psych); 44 points/ea [special]
Thoughts?
They are less strong than Khorne dudes. Which is sad but true.
They are less tough than Nurgle dudes. Which is also still sad but true.
They make up for it be being faster, fearless, and maybe quicker? Or slicker? Or ickier?
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Post by gjnoronh on Aug 16, 2018 20:02:57 GMT
I like option 2 generally but seems a little underpowered they will hit with 8/9ths of attacks so 8 strength 4 hits from the front rank. You could push that through a CR calculator but that's about 2-3 wounds in most settings I would guess.
The reapers would be more like (5 attacks per model x 3 models x 2/3rd hit x 2/3rd wound x 5/6 beat armor=) 6 wounds against most front line stuff
The Wrathmongers are (4 attacks x 3 models x 2/3rd hit x 5/6 wound x 5/6 beat armor) = 6 wounds against most front line + impact hits sometimes.
Blight kings are harder to calculate given choice but call it GW -(3 attacks x 3 models x2/3rd hit x1/2 wound x 5/6 beat armor) = 3 wounds but flex to pick the best weapon for the situation which is worth something extra.
Storm cast eternal models would fit the right theme for them like with Emperors children clean lines.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Aug 16, 2018 22:56:40 GMT
I like option 2 generally but seems a little underpowered they will hit with 8/9ths of attacks so 8 strength 4 hits from the front rank. You could push that through a CR calculator but that's about 2-3 wounds in most settings I would guess. The reapers would be more like (5 attacks per model x 3 models x 2/3rd hit x 2/3rd wound x 5/6 beat armor=) 6 wounds against most front line stuff The Wrathmongers are (4 attacks x 3 models x 2/3rd hit x 5/6 wound x 5/6 beat armor) = 6 wounds against most front line + impact hits sometimes. Blight kings are harder to calculate given choice but call it GW -(3 attacks x 3 models x2/3rd hit x1/2 wound x 5/6 beat armor) = 3 wounds but flex to pick the best weapon for the situation which is worth something extra. Storm cast eternal models would fit the right theme for them like with Emperors children clean lines. Yeah, what about playing them using the Stormcast rules too? |
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Aug 17, 2018 0:26:17 GMT
Evil Stormcasts??
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Aug 17, 2018 0:29:13 GMT
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Post by sedge on Aug 17, 2018 7:39:19 GMT
I like option 2 generally but seems a little underpowered they will hit with 8/9ths of attacks so 8 strength 4 hits from the front rank. You could push that through a CR calculator but that's about 2-3 wounds in most settings I would guess. The reapers would be more like (5 attacks per model x 3 models x 2/3rd hit x 2/3rd wound x 5/6 beat armor=) 6 wounds against most front line stuff The Wrathmongers are (4 attacks x 3 models x 2/3rd hit x 5/6 wound x 5/6 beat armor) = 6 wounds against most front line + impact hits sometimes. Blight kings are harder to calculate given choice but call it GW -(3 attacks x 3 models x2/3rd hit x1/2 wound x 5/6 beat armor) = 3 wounds but flex to pick the best weapon for the situation which is worth something extra. Storm cast eternal models would fit the right theme for them like with Emperors children clean lines. They're S5 due to Halberds, so quite a bit stronger in combat. Agreed that Stormcast models would suit them well, assuming they have a kit that wields halberds. |
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Post by gjnoronh on Aug 17, 2018 14:07:41 GMT
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Post by sedge on Aug 17, 2018 17:50:53 GMT
You need a backstory for them too, to justify the rules and why they exist - otherwise what makes them different from Chosen of Slaanesh?
For example, if you're using the Stormcast models, it could be something like this -
For the devoted of the Dark Prince, nothing is treasured more than beauty. Yet even the most skilled of his followers can suffer grievous wounds and disfigurements in battle. For most, this shocking loss of beauty is the start of a rapid decline - shunned by their former brethren, and believing themselves to be deserted by their god, many will crawl away into the dark places of the world and die.
Yet for the strongest and most devout, this is but a test of their faith, and a sign they must work all the harder to regain the favour of Slaanesh. These few hardy warriors encase themselves head to toe in ornate armour, vowing never to show their faces again until they are reborn as beautiful Daemon Princes. Wielding massive halberds, they target the most monstrously ugly of foes on the battlefield, believing that through eliminating ugliness, they will gain the Slaanesh's approval. They fight with an unnatural grace and speed, determined to never again suffer the shame of a disfiguring wound. These Pretorians of Slaanesh band together in small groups - fighting together to better attract the attention of their liege, yet never straying too close to their brothers-in-arms, for each is a reminder of their own hideous fall from grace.
That gives you justification for their elite stats, ASF, halberds, armour and also the bigger bases (more spaced out).
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Post by wilsonthenarc on Aug 17, 2018 19:47:23 GMT
Word. I can do some fluff. I was gonna let the fluff come to me as I paint them.
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