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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 4, 2019 15:27:02 GMT
Looking at Arkhan, I've been thinking about why I don't field him too often. Don't get me wrong, he is a great character, but I just find myself fielding special characters such as Khalida and Khatep far more frequently. I think what holds me back the most is the fact that he casts from the Lore of Death. The Lore of Death is a very powerful lore (maybe one of the best in the game) but for some reason I find it fairly boring to play, and moreover, I find its range to be a little limiting with such a slow character as Arkhan (I never field him on a chariot).
So that got me thinking, if hypothetically, Arkhan had access to the Lore of Light instead of the Lore of Death (but everything else about him remained exactly the same), how would I feel about fielding him. Truth be told, I think he'd become my favourite Special Character on the Tomb Kings roster. At that point, I think he would pretty much be an auto include for me. Does anybody else feel this way, or do you disagree? How would you feel if Arkhan had the Lore of Light instead of Death? Would you field him more often or less often?
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Post by killerangel on May 5, 2019 9:15:02 GMT
Here I am, summoned by NIGHTBRINGER to join the discussion Hello also to you gregwarhamsters ... as you should guess by my avatar, i'm Unas the Slayer.
SO, back on topic.
THE WINNER
i tend toward Khatep. We need magic, so it's logical to look at strong magic user characters: Khalida is an exceptional character, with great buffs, but we need also wizards and a King / prince to buff our melee. This could leave us with few points to spare.
So, i tend to favor magic users as named characters. And given how much Dangerous is the casting, i find that the liche staff is Golden. Plus, he's a Loremaster.
THE REST OF THE PODIUM
2nd overall place. Khalida is great for what she does, but it's situational, as you need to tailor your list around big blocks of archers, while Khatep gives you more freedom in building a list. That said, she can be devastating and she's my first choice for non-caster heroes… and every TK lists include archers anyway.
Arkhan is near the top. Leaving aside that i don't like to play a servant of the Traitor which i wouldn't name here, he's undeniably strong. But you need to have him in the frontlines, as the lore of Death is not known for the huge range of its spells…
THE MIDDLE FIELD
Ramhotep is good, but he's useful in an even more tailored list (hello, single unit of Necroknights… goodbye hierotitan). And he's frail when caught in combat (ironically, the place where he should be to buff the tomb guards).
Settra… he kinda falls in between the good and the bad. Because he's good, but also costs a lot for what he does.
THE LAST(s) IN LINE
Nekaph. Cool character, if only the rules would support its role Apophas… i like the model, that's pretty much what i can say about the guy
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 5, 2019 17:24:57 GMT
Here I am, summoned by NIGHTBRINGER to join the discussion Hello also to you gregwarhamsters ... as you should guess by my avatar, i'm Unas the Slayer.
SO, back on topic.
THE WINNER
i tend toward Khatep. We need magic, so it's logical to look at strong magic user characters: Khalida is an exceptional character, with great buffs, but we need also wizards and a King / prince to buff our melee. This could leave us with few points to spare.
So, i tend to favor magic users as named characters. And given how much Dangerous is the casting, i find that the liche staff is Golden. Plus, he's a Loremaster.
THE REST OF THE PODIUM
2nd overall place. Khalida is great for what she does, but it's situational, as you need to tailor your list around big blocks of archers, while Khatep gives you more freedom in building a list. That said, she can be devastating and she's my first choice for non-caster heroes… and every TK lists include archers anyway.
Arkhan is near the top. Leaving aside that i don't like to play a servant of the Traitor which i wouldn't name here, he's undeniably strong. But you need to have him in the frontlines, as the lore of Death is not known for the huge range of its spells…
THE MIDDLE FIELD
Ramhotep is good, but he's useful in an even more tailored list (hello, single unit of Necroknights… goodbye hierotitan). And he's frail when caught in combat (ironically, the place where he should be to buff the tomb guards).
Settra… he kinda falls in between the good and the bad. Because he's good, but also costs a lot for what he does.
THE LAST(s) IN LINE
Nekaph. Cool character, if only the rules would support its role Apophas… i like the model, that's pretty much what i can say about the guy Khatep really is a good selection. He isn't flashy like some of the other characters (Khalida or Arkhan) but he is extremely solid and dependable. The Liche Staff is fantastic is it allows you to pretty much avoid (or greatly minimize) miscasts or loss of concentration. Loremaster is also fantastic as it ensures that you get the best spells from Nehekhara. The Scroll of the Cursing Word is nothing special. It's funny that you mention Arkhan's fluff background. Although it isn't a tactical reason, I tend to field him less often because of it! Great character though... if he had access to the Lore of Light he would be my #1 choice. I've run Ramhotep before in a list tailored to ensure that my 6 strong Necro Knight unit got the re-rollable save. That unit is pretty fierce with the re-roll. As you say though, he himself is (unfortunately) pretty damn squishy. Settra should have been based on a double chariot base... he would have been a much more viable selection. Nekaph? Apophas? Who are these people you speak of? I have never seen them in any one of my lists!
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Post by gregwarhamsters on May 6, 2019 11:19:31 GMT
Arkhan is near the top. Leaving aside that i don't like to play a servant of the Traitor which i wouldn't name here, he's undeniably strong. But you need to have him in the frontlines, as the lore of Death is not known for the huge range of its spells…
I voted for this guy but I rarely use him, preferring light magic but I agree with what Unas (killerangel) said about magic, a good spell lasts two turns and hopefully turns the tide of what ever is happening, some of the characters (khalida) are good the army has to be set up for them. Enjoyed this topic, which army are we going to pick on next? Greg
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 6, 2019 15:25:19 GMT
Enjoyed this topic, which army are we going to pick on next? Greg Still plenty of Tomb Kings stuff to explore!!
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Post by gregwarhamsters on May 6, 2019 18:25:32 GMT
Enjoyed this topic, which army are we going to pick on next? Greg Still plenty of Tomb Kings stuff to explore!! Yes of course - bring it on just thought we were talking special characters of armies
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Post by TheGreatHornedRat on May 6, 2019 23:24:07 GMT
Settra. He stood up to the usurper Nagash instead of capitulated.
Granted he paid the price but...whatever he's still badass.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 7, 2019 3:34:28 GMT
Settra. He stood up to the usurper Nagash instead of capitulated. Granted he paid the price but...whatever he's still badass. Lore-wise he is pretty damn cool (Settra does not serve. Settra rules). I wish he was a bit more potent on the gaming battlefield though!
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Post by killerangel on May 7, 2019 11:23:21 GMT
Settra. He stood up to the usurper Nagash instead of capitulated. Granted he paid the price but...whatever he's still badass.
Sure, by lore and fluff, Settra is one of the coolest characters in all WFB and also End of Times. Alas... rules-wise, not so much
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Post by Horace on May 7, 2019 13:35:55 GMT
What's the problem with Settra?
I have never played TK and he looks fairly decent on paper, if not a little pricey. Can't hide him in regiments?
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 7, 2019 14:21:21 GMT
What's the problem with Settra? I have never played TK and he looks fairly decent on paper, if not a little pricey. Can't hide him in regiments? - too expensive points-wise for what he brings to the table (consider other characters in that points range... Greater Daemon, Daemon Prince, Slann, etc.)
- his irregular base forces him to hang out on the side of a chariot unit... and he already has a huge footprint to begin with
- if a canon hits him, it hits both him AND his chariot (also, his chariot can be shot out from under him, though it is pretty sturdy)
- better options are competing for his points (you could take two level 4 Liche High Priests with some magic items for the same points cost)
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Post by sedge on May 9, 2019 11:25:37 GMT
Settra. He stood up to the usurper Nagash instead of capitulated. Granted he paid the price but...whatever he's still badass.
Sure, by lore and fluff, Settra is one of the coolest characters in all WFB and also End of Times. Alas... rules-wise, not so much
And in AoS one of the books recently mentioned a Nagash-hating Stormcast called "Settrus" who serves in Sigmar's army. Abominable.
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Post by TheGreatHornedRat on May 9, 2019 15:54:35 GMT
Sure, by lore and fluff, Settra is one of the coolest characters in all WFB and also End of Times. Alas... rules-wise, not so much
And in AoS one of the books recently mentioned a Nagash-hating Stormcast called "Settrus" who serves in Sigmar's army. Abominable. Thats...less cool
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 9, 2019 16:03:27 GMT
And in AoS one of the books recently mentioned a Nagash-hating Stormcast called "Settrus" who serves in Sigmar's army. Abominable. Thats...less cool That's is AoS for ya!
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Post by killerangel on May 9, 2019 18:53:53 GMT
Sure, by lore and fluff, Settra is one of the coolest characters in all WFB and also End of Times. Alas... rules-wise, not so much
And in AoS one of the books recently mentioned a Nagash-hating Stormcast called "Settrus" who serves in Sigmar's army. Abominable.
I know. I like a good part of the new AoS fluff (the short stories of malign portents), but things as the one you've mentioned… well, those revive the old grognard that it's in me.
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