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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 1, 2019 1:37:52 GMT
The topic at hand is the best lore of magic for a Sorcerer-Prophet. Which lore has served you best? Which is your go to lore in a general (non-tailored) list? What do you like most about the lore? Why is it better for you than the others?
For the poll itself, consider the question in the context of an all-comers list. However, in the thread, feel free to expand upon opponent specific alternative choices!
Vote and discuss!
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Post by grandmasterwang on Apr 2, 2019 7:25:33 GMT
Hashut for me in a general list. It can be effective against all races.
The lore is quality and fearsome and the Sorcerer Prophet is the only one with a high enough station to be granted access to such an exclusive lore.
The Lore of Hashut - An elite lore for an elite army.
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Post by strutsagget on Apr 3, 2019 5:40:50 GMT
So I like the fluff of Hashut and it in no way bad. I just feel it doesn’t combo so well with it’s short range as you often stand back shooting and M3.
Lore of death with LD 10 is pretty fantastically broken. But I agree it’s not as fun and becomes a lot of spamming purple sun.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 4, 2019 5:01:40 GMT
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Post by strutsagget on Apr 4, 2019 5:04:07 GMT
They have not implemented polls in the app yet 
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 4, 2019 5:06:25 GMT
They have not implemented polls in the app yet  I was wondering why more people were commenting in some of the threads than voting. That makes complete sense. Thanks for filling me in (I always access the site on my laptop, so I had absolutely no clue).
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Post by grandmasterwang on Apr 4, 2019 5:10:09 GMT
They have not implemented polls in the app yet  I was wondering why more people were commenting in some of the threads than voting. That makes complete sense. Thanks for filling me in (I always access the site on my laptop, so I had absolutely no clue). Yeah Tapatalk is great (i use for pictures) but I can't even see the poll lol.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 4, 2019 5:27:51 GMT
I was wondering why more people were commenting in some of the threads than voting. That makes complete sense. Thanks for filling me in (I always access the site on my laptop, so I had absolutely no clue). Yeah Tapatalk is great (i use for pictures) but I can't even see the poll lol. Hahaha... well at least I no longer feel bad that people were "ignoring" my poll!
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 4, 2019 5:48:08 GMT
I have a question for you guys about the Lore of Hashut spelll Dark Subjugation: Assume that you have successfully cast the spell on a unit containing the enemy general in it and they fail their leadership test (at -3). They now suffer a permanent -1 to their leadership for the remainder of the game. Here is my question, what happens if the general then leaves the unit? We have the following possibilities: - Both the general and the unit still count as having -1 leadership for the rest of the game
- Only the unit counts as having -1 leadership for the rest of the game, but the general reverts to his normal leadership
- Only the general counts as having -1 leadership for the rest of the game, but the unit reverts to their normal leadership (this seemly highly improbable)
On page 97 of the BRB we have:
" When a character joins a unit that is under the effect of a spell that affects the entire unit, the character only benefits or suffers from the effects of the spell whilst he remains in the unit. Similarly, if a character is the subject of a spell that is capable of affecting a unit, the effect will also apply to any unit he joins, for as long as he remains part of it, and the spell lasts." This doesn't quite apply to a situation where the character is already in the unit when the spell is cast. That BRB reference is speaking of a character joining a unit that is already under the effect of a spell (so the spell didn't include him as a target when it was originally cast). In the scenario I posted above, the character is part of the target of the spell when it is cast. Any rule/page references would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by strutsagget on Apr 4, 2019 6:14:11 GMT
I think the FAQ states but I will come back and paste it. If a character leaves a unit all effects ends on the character. But I am not 100% sure.
I would go with this:
Only the unit counts as having -1 leadership for the rest of the game, but the general reverts to his normal leadership.
As the spell states, it targets the unit.
EDIT: Can't find anything and change my mind.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 4, 2019 18:16:39 GMT
I think the FAQ states but I will come back and paste it. That would be greatly appreciated. I can't seem to find it.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Apr 5, 2019 12:40:34 GMT
I think the FAQ states but I will come back and paste it. That would be greatly appreciated. I can't seem to find it. I would also be interested. - Both the general and the unit still count as having -1 leadership for the rest of the game We play it this way but I'd still like to see the FAQ answer if there is one. The spell name is perfect for the slave trading Chaos Dwarfs.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 10, 2019 21:05:45 GMT
There is no such Tamurkhan FAQ, nor does there seem to be in any other Upgrade Version. There is, however, an FAQ regarding the Skaven spell Wither, which is similar to Dark Subjugation.
Wither (Skaven AB p.79):
The caster may choose any single unit within 12", including a unit in close combat. The Toughness value of all the models in the unit is reduced by -1. The effects last for the rest of the game and any creatures reduced to a Toughness of 0 are removed as casualties.
On a side note: if one reduces the Toughness value of all the models in the unit by -1, then it is, in effect, increased by +1.
Skaven Official Update Version 1.7, p.8: Q: What happens to characters that either join or leave a unit affected by Wither? Are new models that are added to the unit by spells and special rules affected by the spell?(p79) A: All models that either join or leave the unit are affected by the spell. If a character leaves and joins another unit, he is affected by the spell, but the unit he joins is not.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Apr 10, 2019 22:21:19 GMT
In the scenario I posted above, the character is part of the target of the spell when it is cast. Any rule/page references would be greatly appreciated! BRB p. 100: "many spells and magic items bestow special rules and other effects on units. In this case, everyone (including the character) in the combined unit will be affected." And since the effect is a permanent reduction in Leadership, this still applies when the character leaves the unit.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 11, 2019 0:16:32 GMT
In the scenario I posted above, the character is part of the target of the spell when it is cast. Any rule/page references would be greatly appreciated! BRB p. 100: "many spells and magic items bestow special rules and other effects on units. In this case, everyone (including the character) in the combined unit will be affected." And since the effect is a permanent reduction in Leadership, this still applies when the character leaves the unit. That seems pretty definitive, especially when combined with the Skaven FAQ entry you provided. I think that clears it up; thanks for the rule reference!
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