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Post by strutsagget on Apr 3, 2019 5:37:04 GMT
So I am currently struggling and need some help with tactics. I would like to go aggressive and combat oriented.
One that worked earlier is full mobile but it becomes so evasive.
Regarding magic lore maybe death is the way to go. If I want to deal with Doom
Wheels and cannons and grey seer.
Think reaper bolt throwers are pretty bad this matchup.
Witches seems to be good at dealing with big hordes.
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Post by vulcan on Apr 3, 2019 16:17:01 GMT
Dealing with hordes of gribblies is what Witches were made for. Against Skaven, Witches are superior to DE special infantry so don't bother with BG or Executioners.
A tactic I've found to be successful against Skaven is to use lots of small units of Witches instead of one or two big ones. You'll never outrank Skaven, so instead you need to kill them down to the last rat. And three units of ten are a lot better at it than one unit of thirty. Five or six units of ten will deal with any and all Skaven infantry just fine. Even rat ogres, with their poor saves, don't last long against Witches.
The trick is dealing with - as you say - their casters, monsters, and war machines. So magic defense is a premium, and offensive magic helps. Having a unit of Cold One Knights with the Flame Banner to deal with A-bombs is a good start. Having shades and fast cav to channel and control the movement of A-bombs and Doomwheels goes a long way, and if you can channel the Doomwheels back into his army so the 'zaps' hit his own units instead of yours you've gone a long way into neutralizing them. K-beasts should be capable of dealing with both as well, especially if properly protected from cannonfire.
Cannons, of course, fall to shades and/or assassins readily. Standard anti-war-machine tactics apply, but sometimes a single assassin will be able to find a spot to scout in where a full unit of shades cannot.
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Post by sedge on Apr 5, 2019 7:48:12 GMT
What aspects of the Skaven are you struggling with in particular? Magic? The massive hordes? The nasty rare choices like Doomwheels/HPAs/bloody Stormfiends? (Or all of them!)
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Post by strutsagget on Apr 5, 2019 8:24:11 GMT
What aspects of the Skaven are you struggling with in particular? Magic? The massive hordes? The nasty rare choices like Doomwheels/HPAs/bloody Stormfiends? (Or all of them!) Last game All of them but yes he getting a 5% and killing peg master turn 1 did not help. |
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Post by vulcan on Apr 5, 2019 21:48:32 GMT
Another option for dealing with skaven is the DE 'Gunline'. Offensive magic, lots of repeater crossbows (on foot, scouting, and mounted), and Warlocks to Doombolt things to death. Lore of Fire and the Ruby Ring are both of benefit for stripping regen off A-bombs before using other magic missiles. Likewise, giving one Darkshard unit the Flaming banner to strip regen off A-bombs goes a long way.
Thinking about it, a unit of Witches with the Flaming banner should rip an A-bomb apart as well. The down side is there may not be enough of them left to take on a second A-bomb...
How could I forget? The fairly low LD of Skaven makes their characters especially vulnerable to Lore of Death...
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Post by strutsagget on Apr 6, 2019 7:05:42 GMT
Not only their characters but all their monsters and machines too. Should be pretty ”easy” sniping a doom wheel with morathi.
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Post by saniles on Apr 6, 2019 23:55:47 GMT
Can’t be done sorry. Just concede to the Skaven.... it’s better in the end.
Unless.... you enjoy seeing your fellow elves suffering from unknown and incurable pestilence!!!!
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Post by strutsagget on Apr 7, 2019 6:47:40 GMT
Can’t be done sorry. Just concede to the Skaven.... it’s better in the end. Unless.... you enjoy seeing your fellow elves suffering from unknown and incurable pestilence!!!! NEVER!!! |
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Post by sedge on Apr 7, 2019 20:29:51 GMT
Morathi and any other pegasus characters will struggle if the near-obligatory Storm Banner is taking, and Howling Warpgale can also prevent you flying. Against Skaven, it's a bad idea to rely on flying units. Dark Steeds are more reliable, since they'll always be M9. The banner/warpgale are also annoying for their effect on shooting, so your repeater crossbows will struggle to hit too. Despite that, the Storm Banner doesn't tend to last more than a couple of your turns, Howling Warpgale can be dispelled, and Shades for example have good enough BS to be worth taking anyway.
Skaven shooting is a bit odd in that they don't have the weight of low strength shooting that most armies do (bows etc.) but they do have some annoying high strength/armour ignoring attacks. It feels like you're almost better off going for low armour units in those cases.
Given the numbers you're facing, multi-attack models like Witch Elves, Corsairs and Black Guard are a good choice for working through great blocks of Clanrats. Hydras are always good too.
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Post by vulcan on Apr 8, 2019 23:17:20 GMT
Can’t be done sorry. Just concede to the Skaven.... it’s better in the end. Unless.... you enjoy seeing your fellow elves suffering from unknown and incurable pestilence!!!! You must be the Skaven general he's up against. Nope. DE can win - and win convincingly - against Skaven. You just have to remember what the threats are and deal with them first. Skaven blocks fall part quickly once the threats are gone, especially if you've dealt with the general and BSB. |
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Post by g2000 on May 19, 2020 4:28:26 GMT
I hate skaven. I’ve been playing Nate from the book of grudges. Hordes and rattling guns... rat bastards. Is it because they didn’t get an 8th army book that they’re so messed up?
I’ve not put it into practice but.. the lore of death looks pretty good for character assassination. Way I see it the hordes are relying on characters leadership and steadfast. Monks and plague muppets own leadership is crap.
I’m facing multiple units that are 60-70 strong. Mathematically you can’t take them out in five turns even if you roll sixes on every hit. So I would think: take out leaders character buffs and then spank there leadership off the board. There seems to be no point in fighting them.
As I say, I’ve not put my balls where my mouth is as it’s just too depressing being destroyed by Nate’s ridiculous amount of rats.
I’m leaving Gibraltar so I may try and get a battle report done with him before I go, if the plague allows.
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Post by knoffles on May 19, 2020 12:34:12 GMT
I hate skaven. I’ve been playing Nate from the book of grudges. Hordes and rattling guns... rat bastards. Is it because they didn’t get an 8th army book that they’re so messed up? I’ve not put it into practice but.. the lore of death looks pretty good for character assassination. Way I see it the hordes are relying on characters leadership and steadfast. Monks and plague muppets own leadership is crap. I’m facing multiple units that are 60-70 strong. Mathematically you can’t take them out in five turns even if you roll sixes on every hit. So I would think: take out leaders character buffs and then spank there leadership off the board. There seems to be no point in fighting them. As I say, I’ve not put my balls where my mouth is as it’s just too depressing being destroyed by Nate’s ridiculous amount of rats. I’m leaving Gibraltar so I may try and get a battle report done with him before I go, if the plague allows. Would you be the chap moving to West London who I’ve been speaking to on FB? |
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Post by saniles on May 19, 2020 12:38:13 GMT
I hate skaven. I’ve been playing Nate from the book of grudges. Hordes and rattling guns... rat bastards. Is it because they didn’t get an 8th army book that they’re so messed up? I’ve not put it into practice but.. the lore of death looks pretty good for character assassination. Way I see it the hordes are relying on characters leadership and steadfast. Monks and plague muppets own leadership is crap. I’m facing multiple units that are 60-70 strong. Mathematically you can’t take them out in five turns even if you roll sixes on every hit. So I would think: take out leaders character buffs and then spank there leadership off the board. There seems to be no point in fighting them. As I say, I’ve not put my balls where my mouth is as it’s just too depressing being destroyed by Nate’s ridiculous amount of rats. I’m leaving Gibraltar so I may try and get a battle report done with him before I go, if the plague allows. What army were you running? To be fair, and no offense intended, there are a lot of rules that you guys get wrong, particularly a number of Skaven rules... the banner of clan superiority comes to mind. |
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