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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 25, 2019 6:41:20 GMT
In my opinion the Hierotitan and the Casket of Souls are two of the Tomb Kings very best units. They are both very useful in establishing magical dominance within the game. Obviously they work amazingly well together, as their effects stack nicely, but in this thread I wanted to pit them against each other. So, with all things considered, if you had to choose between the two, would you go with the Hierotitan or the Casket of Souls?  Vote and discuss! |
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Post by knoffles on Apr 26, 2019 5:40:40 GMT
As you said they are both excellent but it would be casket for me for 2 reasons: the model and Indiana Jones 😉
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Apr 26, 2019 5:59:20 GMT
As you said they are both excellent but it would be casket for me for 2 reasons: the model and Indiana Jones 😉 And what about from a purely tactical standpoint? |
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Post by knoffles on Apr 26, 2019 6:50:39 GMT
Well I’ll caveat by saying I’ve not played TK (the closest to it was before they split the books in 4th). The main reason I’d take either is for the boosts to spell users. I do think the +d3 to each casting roll from the Titan is better but it is limited to a 12” bubble. Also due to the size he will also be the obvious cannon bait and with T6 it isn’t that hard to take down.
The casket ‘only’ gives an extra D3 power dice but at T10 is really solid and the range on the bound spell is considerable.
I’d probably still go for the casket generally as I like allcomer, versatile lists but it would as ever depend on my list. If I was sporting a more light council orientated TK list, then the Titan would win hands down as the concentration of mages to boost banishment, combined with the multiple buffs to casting for all the mages by the Titan, would be too good to ignore.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 2, 2019 2:50:16 GMT
Although I love both units, I believe that not only is the Casket of Souls better, it is the single greatest unit in the Tomb Kings army book. Tomb Kings units are typically underpowered, but I can't think of a single army in Warhammer that wouldn't benefit from fielding one of these bad boys.
Light of Death is a fantastic bound spell. First off, it's damage potential is excellent. Second, provides TK with an valuable tool to get around armour (which TK generally struggle with). Lastly, the 48" range is fantastic. I'd take Light of Death over both of the Hierotitan's bound spells.
One of the biggest advantages that the Casket of Souls has over the Hierotitan is survivablity. Toughness 10 is amazing against anything that might hit you at range. More importantly though, the Casket of Souls can be tucked away far from the enemy (preferably hidden from line of sight by terrain). Light of Death has great range, so that is seldom an issue. Light of Death also does not need line of sight on the enemy! Furthermore, the Casket's D3 power dice bonus works no matter where the casket is place, while the Hierotitan must remain within 12" of our wizards in order to apply its magic boost.
The Hierotitan is a great unit and it makes it into a large number of my army lists... but the Casket of Souls in an absolute auto-include, I have never fielded a TK army without one.
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Post by killerangel on May 5, 2019 9:36:13 GMT
Yeah, as much as I like Hierotitan, if I have to pick only one of them, it would be the Casket for the already cited reasons.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on May 10, 2019 14:33:18 GMT
Yeah, as much as I like Hierotitan, if I have to pick only one of them, it would be the Casket for the already cited reasons. Yup... of all the TK units available to us, the Casket of Souls is the greatest example of an auto-include in my opinion (barring the fact that we are forced to field a LP or HLP) |
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Post by Lizards_of_Renown on Aug 26, 2020 21:44:28 GMT
I think that the Casket of Souls wins out no question. The Hierotitan is great, but with 3 attacks, "only" T6 (I'm saying this as many, MANY, units end up with at least Strength 5 which makes it 5's to wound as I've experienced to my horror with my Stegadons... suddenly T6 doesn't seem so tough anymore) it's great but it's only use would be as a support unit in combat as it won't tarpit a large unit (combat resolution will kill it quite quick) and a bigger monster will take care of it fairly easily I think. (This is all hot-air-hammer, as I have yet to play one  but is what I think from looking over everything) |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Nov 14, 2023 15:15:48 GMT
I'm a big fan of the Heirotitan and it has the added benefit of a thunderstomp and added mobility as well as not nuking your own guys if destroyed. If they were the same points cost I'd take the Heirotitan. However at 40 points more expensive the Casket of Souls is the better pick.
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Nov 21, 2023 5:41:52 GMT
I'm a big fan of the Heirotitan and it has the added benefit of a thunderstomp and added mobility as well as not nuking your own guys if destroyed. If they were the same points cost I'd take the Heirotitan. However at 40 points more expensive the Casket of Souls is the better pick. That is an interesting thought. If they were the same points cost, I wonder which would be more popular. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Nov 22, 2023 2:30:15 GMT
I'm a big fan of the Heirotitan and it has the added benefit of a thunderstomp and added mobility as well as not nuking your own guys if destroyed. If they were the same points cost I'd take the Heirotitan. However at 40 points more expensive the Casket of Souls is the better pick. That is an interesting thought. If they were the same points cost, I wonder which would be more popular. I had a game the other day where I deliberately did not take a Casket ar 2250 points for something different. Just a lvl 4 and a Heirotitan. Anecdote time....Heirotitan was amazing and the bonus to cast was incredible, I missed the casket far less than I thought I would. I was actually a little surprised. Dominant win for the Tomb Kings over Dark Elves. Incantation of Righteous Smiting ftw! I'm going to experiment more with non Casket lists in the future. Btw in pictures the big rock with 3 serpent heads is my Heirotitan. Had to protect him from the Bloodwrack Medusa though....that is a horrible matchup with I1.       |
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Nov 22, 2023 6:19:55 GMT
That is an interesting thought. If they were the same points cost, I wonder which would be more popular. I had a game the other day where I deliberately did not take a Casket ar 2250 points for something different. Just a lvl 4 and a Heirotitan. Anecdote time....Heirotitan was amazing and the bonus to cast was incredible, I missed the casket far less than I thought I would. I was actually a little surprised. Dominant win for the Tomb Kings over Dark Elves. Incantation of Righteous Smiting ftw! I'm going to experiment more with non Casket lists in the future. Btw in pictures the big rock with 3 serpent heads is my Heirotitan. Had to protect him from the Bloodwrack Medusa though....that is a horrible matchup with I1. That's a pretty big win. Taking down an absolute top tier army like the Dark Elves with a bottom tier army like the Tomb Kings is no easy feat! Personally I love the Casket of Souls, but it's always good seeing other people use different strategies and army compositions to great effect. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Nov 23, 2023 14:04:19 GMT
I had a game the other day where I deliberately did not take a Casket ar 2250 points for something different. Just a lvl 4 and a Heirotitan. Anecdote time....Heirotitan was amazing and the bonus to cast was incredible, I missed the casket far less than I thought I would. I was actually a little surprised. Dominant win for the Tomb Kings over Dark Elves. Incantation of Righteous Smiting ftw! I'm going to experiment more with non Casket lists in the future. Btw in pictures the big rock with 3 serpent heads is my Heirotitan. Had to protect him from the Bloodwrack Medusa though....that is a horrible matchup with I1. That's a pretty big win. Taking down an absolute top tier army like the Dark Elves with a bottom tier army like the Tomb Kings is no easy feat! Personally I love the Casket of Souls, but it's always good seeing other people use different strategies and army compositions to great effect. Yeah, this was my first game without a Casket in a long time. It's an amazing unit. I appreciate your thoughts. I was actually pondering a magical support question....would you say a Casket and Heirotitan (310 points) would be a better support for a Lvl 4 Hierophant vs a second Lvl 4 Liche Priest of similar points? I think it's an interesting question as to which combo would bring forth the more dominant magic phase.... 🤔 |
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Nov 23, 2023 18:06:35 GMT
That's a pretty big win. Taking down an absolute top tier army like the Dark Elves with a bottom tier army like the Tomb Kings is no easy feat! Personally I love the Casket of Souls, but it's always good seeing other people use different strategies and army compositions to great effect. Yeah, this was my first game without a Casket in a long time. It's an amazing unit. I appreciate your thoughts. I was actually pondering a magical support question....would you say a Casket and Heirotitan (310 points) would be a better support for a Lvl 4 Hierophant vs a second Lvl 4 Liche Priest of similar points? I think it's an interesting question as to which combo would bring forth the more dominant magic phase.... 🤔 Personally, I very much prefer the lvl4+casket+heirotitan combo over the lvl4+lvl4 setup. It's all about the casting power. What makes TK magic so effective is the ability to overwhelm your opponent's dispel dice and push spells through. Having two level 4's gives you better spell selection, but without the power dice (and/or casting bonus) to drive it through, it's essentially wasted potential. Most of those extra spells will never be cast. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Dec 6, 2023 11:30:10 GMT
Yeah, this was my first game without a Casket in a long time. It's an amazing unit. I appreciate your thoughts. I was actually pondering a magical support question....would you say a Casket and Heirotitan (310 points) would be a better support for a Lvl 4 Hierophant vs a second Lvl 4 Liche Priest of similar points? I think it's an interesting question as to which combo would bring forth the more dominant magic phase.... 🤔 Personally, I very much prefer the lvl4+casket+heirotitan combo over the lvl4+lvl4 setup. It's all about the casting power. What makes TK magic so effective is the ability to overwhelm your opponent's dispel dice and push spells through. Having two level 4's gives you better spell selection, but without the power dice (and/or casting bonus) to drive it through, it's essentially wasted potential. Most of those extra spells will never be cast. Yes I tend to agree, also the Casket is such a great diversion as opponents always try to take it out. The 2 level 4 wizards does give a built-in redundancy if you fail to cast/dispel however being able to still get the +4. Imo the biggest advantage of the 2 wizards is being able to take both a Dispel scroll and an offensive Arcane item like a Powerstone or one of the two unique Tomb King options. I do like the Scrolls of Mighty Incantations a lot. I appreciate your thoughts as always. |
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but is what I think from looking over everything)