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Post by ryryak2 on Jul 2, 2019 17:10:51 GMT
How fun would that be to play against though? There's a reason people typically groan and roll their eyes when playing against Wood Elves. Most folks don't like playing against that. I imagine it would be doubly so because "Daemons"; a lot of folks still haven't got over 7th edition Daemons.
Also there's one glaring weakness with Daemons that you'd have to watch out for if trying out this playstyle; Daemons are ItP - they can't flee from a charge, so you have to work extra hard at making sure you're not in a position to be charged in the first place.
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Post by Naitsabes on Jul 2, 2019 21:27:57 GMT
Also there's one glaring weakness with Daemons that you'd have to watch out for if trying out this playstyle; Daemons are ItP - they can't flee from a charge, so you have to work extra hard at making sure you're not in a position to be charged in the first place. that's a biggie.
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Post by Horace on Jul 3, 2019 9:37:42 GMT
I hardly think mono-Tzeentch would be OP playing this style for the reasons you list!
I personally wouldn't mind someone trying to do this against me, it is a valid tactical move and would be very unforgiving for minor movement phase mistakes.
I also do agree re 7th edition DoC, I think it is why people still rate them so highly now. They are firmly mid tier in my book and things like mono-tzeentch even lower
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 16:58:27 GMT
Thanks guys for participating to the discussion. I am afraid to say that a "fly circus " won't work for us. LORD with wings ( Prince and LOC are really ok) but 4 blocks of horrors will be killed in 4 or 5 turns .they won't survive to almost nothing ...so we are sure we are losing very easily 600 points. screamers are ok if you use them for killing War machines or chaff but in combat I don't think we can rely on them too much. Their footprint is huge...they are okish in supporting a fight but nothing more. Flamers are not flying and if we want to be very mobile than we will march with them and shoot (edit !!!!! efficiently !!!!) only once or twice per game. chariots is fragile.he can have 2 but they will drop easily under heavy and also light fire ( unless we try to hide ...but how many things we should hide ?) herald on disc is ok but he has only 2 wounds and is really fragile ...we risk to lose him easily ...
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 17:10:51 GMT
Anyway I created a list in Horace honor
+++ tzeentch (Warhammer Fantasy 8th ed) [2,400pts] +++
++ Standard (Daemons of Chaos - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.0.) [2,400pts] ++
+ Uncategorised +
- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)
+ Lords [995pts] +
Daemon Prince [320pts]: Chaos armour [20pts], Daemon of Tzeentch [10pts], Daemonic Flight [40pts]
Daemon Prince [320pts]: Chaos armour [20pts], Daemon of Tzeentch [10pts], Daemonic Flight [40pts]
Daemon Prince [355pts]: Chaos armour [20pts], Daemon of Tzeentch [10pts], Daemonic Flight [40pts], Lore of Metal, Wizard Level 1 [35pts]
+ Heroes [145pts] +
Herald of Tzeentch [145pts]: Lore of Metal, Wizard Level 2 [35pts] . Disc of Tzeentch [20pts]
+ Core [600pts] +
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [150pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician [10pts], 10x Pink Horror of Tzeentch [130pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], Wizard Level 1
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [150pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician [10pts], 10x Pink Horror of Tzeentch [130pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], Wizard Level 1
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [150pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician [10pts], 10x Pink Horror of Tzeentch [130pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], Wizard Level 1
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [150pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician [10pts], 10x Pink Horror of Tzeentch [130pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], Wizard Level 1
+ Special [360pts] +
Screamers of Tzeentch [120pts]: 3x Screamer of Tzeentch [120pts]
Screamers of Tzeentch [120pts]: 3x Screamer of Tzeentch [120pts]
Screamers of Tzeentch [120pts]: 3x Screamer of Tzeentch [120pts]
+ Rare [300pts] +
Burning Chariot of Tzeentch [150pts]
Burning Chariot of Tzeentch [150pts]
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 17:20:11 GMT
I have never tried it ...but I have experienced Tzeentch army and I think there is a possibility ...remote possibility to make the flying circus work.
Let me explain some ideas.
3 Deamons princes all full equipped ( 1 is also a wizard...because I had 25 points left and I think having an additional dice to channel and having another spell form Lore of metal could be a good idea) this guys are gold.they should hit and go for winning crucial combats...
core .....is pretty the same I use to play
Special 3 x 3 of nasty screamers... Here I have a little trick for you I suggest to keep 1 or 2 unit next to the Horrors unit which hopefully will know gateway spell. Once we will do damages and gateway is the best in doing .... we can try to raise up the numbers s of our screamers searching for some six... as for the tzeentch attribute. Hopefully we can have 1 2 or more screamers for free. For our opponent they will be points not easy to get ....
Rare
2 chariots ....hopefully on a flank one will do enough damages.
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 17:23:09 GMT
Herald on disc is a 2lv lore of metal ... he is mobile ...and should hide himself always we need him for dispelling and hopefully he will get interesting spells from the lore.
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 17:26:26 GMT
I also have for you guys a variation on the theme...
and it's more extreme points denial list
+++ tzeentch (Warhammer Fantasy 8th ed) [2,395pts] +++
++ Standard (Daemons of Chaos - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.0.) [2,395pts] ++
+ Uncategorised +
- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points)
+ Lords [960pts] +
Daemon Prince [320pts]: Chaos armour [20pts], Daemon of Tzeentch [10pts], Daemonic Flight [40pts]
Daemon Prince [320pts]: Chaos armour [20pts], Daemon of Tzeentch [10pts], Daemonic Flight [40pts]
Daemon Prince [320pts]: Chaos armour [20pts], Daemon of Tzeentch [10pts], Daemonic Flight [40pts]
+ Heroes [145pts] +
Herald of Tzeentch [145pts]: Lore of Metal, Wizard Level 2 [35pts] . Disc of Tzeentch [20pts]
+ Core [600pts] +
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [150pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician [10pts], 10x Pink Horror of Tzeentch [130pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], Wizard Level 1
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [150pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician [10pts], 10x Pink Horror of Tzeentch [130pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], Wizard Level 1
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [150pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician [10pts], 10x Pink Horror of Tzeentch [130pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], Wizard Level 1
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [150pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician [10pts], 10x Pink Horror of Tzeentch [130pts], Standard Bearer [10pts], Wizard Level 1
+ Special [520pts] +
Screamers of Tzeentch [160pts]: 4x Screamer of Tzeentch [160pts]
Screamers of Tzeentch [160pts]: 4x Screamer of Tzeentch [160pts]
Screamers of Tzeentch [200pts]: 5x Screamer of Tzeentch [200pts]
+ Rare [170pts] +
Burning Chariot of Tzeentch [170pts]: Blue Horror Crew [20pts]
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 17:31:14 GMT
I had to sacrifice the wizard lev 1 on a prince and a chariot for having 3 units of screamers 4 -4- 5 ... they will fly around searching for a victim...
I don't think honestly this list can perform better than mine. but can be fun to play uhmmm I was just thinking I have only 9 screamers....and I don't think I will buy other boxes.. ............
or maybe I will !....if I realize the list can win sometimes ;-) ehehehe
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Post by Horace on Jul 3, 2019 17:38:39 GMT
Flamers can march and shoot
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 17:42:46 GMT
i meant implicitly shoot ...efficiently ...Horace...efficiently !!!
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Post by Horace on Jul 3, 2019 17:51:30 GMT
I would go for something like ++ Standard (Daemons of Chaos - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.0.) [2,496pts] +++ Uncategorised +- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points) + Lords +Kairos Fateweaver [565pts]: AB - Staff of Tomorrow, Wizard Level 4 + Heroes +Herald of Tzeentch [220pts]: Battle Standard Bearer, 2x Lesser Gifts, Lore of Tzeentch, Wizard Level 2 . Disc of Tzeentch The Changeling [170pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Wizard Level 1 + Core +Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [227pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, 14x Pink Horror of Tzeentch, Wizard Level 1 . Champion . Musician . Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [215pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician, 15x Pink Horror of Tzeentch, Standard Bearer, Wizard Level 1 Pink Horrors of Tzeentch [189pts]: Lore of Tzeentch, Musician, 13x Pink Horror of Tzeentch, Standard Bearer, Wizard Level 1 + Special +Flamers of Tzeentch [250pts]: Champion, 6x Flamer of Tzeentch Flamers of Tzeentch [240pts]: 6x Flamer of Tzeentch Screamers of Tzeentch [120pts]: 3x Screamer of Tzeentch + Rare +Burning Chariot of Tzeentch [150pts]Burning Chariot of Tzeentch [150pts]++ Total: [2,496pts] ++Created with BattleScribeI don't play end times lords allocation Could scrap the changling for something else and the disc Herald could be flexible with lore Don't get me wrong, it's not a strong list
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 17:58:12 GMT
Horace do you like my 2 lists ?which one do you prefer? I am thinking now that I will try to los..uhmm play one of them as soon as I can. ;-)
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 17:59:06 GMT
oh i am reading now your list ... let me see..
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Post by jukei on Jul 3, 2019 18:03:08 GMT
ok for Kairos ...but there is no "punch " in the list good shooting but ....I am not sold . better a LOC 4 lev I think with wand and tome. or 2 Princes ... with this list you can kill chaff and little units ( maybe a monster with the right spell) but unfortunately you are not going to kill nothing more. IMHO
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