Post by gamesworkshop on Jul 11, 2015 23:42:16 GMT
Well ithat is your ideas. If you go back and read my post I did not post about loving sigmar ,or about 8th in an ill light. Understanding that "Warhammer as we know does not need to be saved", is referring to the idea that nothing will ever take that away from us. No way shape or form can anyone stop anyone from loving, playing it. After such comment was a simple idea. Did I tell you that you need to play this game? No.
Now aside from all this playful banter. I think in the brb a true ally matrix should be properly established. The thought of 40k's springs to mind, but I believe something stricter would be more well suited. Dogs of war was a wonderful set up, and going along those lines I believe we could all come up with something very fun.
Wow. Now Gamesworkshop is just lying and denying his first posts. This forum is for people who want to maintain 8th, and keep it dynamic. You are advocating that this in not welcome, since AoS is the evolution of the game. Read your own post. Now you are chipping in a matrix for allies as a smoke curtain. While all your are post are negative trolling. Oh yes and you just posted some less negative posts to cover up. And then you try and do this off as playful banter.
To the admins: if you want to keep this forum viable, remove this person from the forum, since he is clearly not taking hints himself and does not have the decency to retreat. This behavior should be kept out of this forum - it will be it's demise if permitted.
I love 8th. However I believe the game will have to change to survive and keep people's interest.
Pellegrim I think I lean towards your position which is the creation of an IP free game which uses 8th as its framework. If this game is to survive it needs fresh blood and it needs new players to come on board. GW will not continue to make models that match our armies forever. The creation of an open source fantasy system and organization needs to support it could allow us to make this a game that isn't just for old timers.
So for the empire and bretonnians I think we should make a book for human factions. Then list the empire and bretonnians with subtle name changes as examples of realms of men and show how the main human list can be used to create to these realms. it will be important not to lose the identity of these factions though as empire and bretonnians while the same race are very different.....
Honestly just delete ban, flag, block that gamesworkshop guy. Obviously he doesn't understand this is not a forum for Age of Sigmar.
And in the warhammer BRB it even states and encourages players to use the army book as a guide and if they don't like certain rules they can freely modify or adjust them as they see fit. So we are simply following the rules that GW has laid out for us.
Not sure if you guys saw but the people behind Swedish comp are creating 9th edition warhammer.
Only problem I can see is that perhaps some of the changes that are being made are not being discussed as much as they should.
So I don't mind the current 8th line of sight rules. I understand why people feel they need are problematic. Yet for me perhaps rather than changing the line of sight rijles the war machine rules should change instead. For this I would actually turn to AoS and make canons use BS and as Rodge said on point hammer actually drop templates from the game altogether. So a canon causes D6 hits to a unit at St 10. Sniping no longer becomes an issue and game speed should be increased and rule complexity reduced as now everything uses the same base rules to shoot.
Likewise if we use the ridden monster solution GW used in End Times which is to combine the profiles in terms of T and W then again these types of creatures become more viable without having to change the line of sight rules.
I'm keeping an eye on the Ninth Age, which is what the Swedish Comp group is calling their work. Most of it looks good, but they are a bit too tournament oriented for my tastes. I wonder if they will remember to consider other kinds of gaming in their rules. Time will tell. Then again, it is easier to take a tournament rule set and adapt it to casual/narrative gaming than the other way around.
I'm all for combined profiles for ridden monsters, preferably with a simple formula that can be applied accross the board with no new points values or options needed.
Exactly. Many of us on this board believe that it is not necessary to alter the core rules of 8th edition. Sure everyone has a little tweak here and there that they would modify given the opportunity, but the core rules are solid and well balanced. Lets not mess the the main rules. We created EEFL because 8th edition is a great rules set. Many of us are not interested in 8.5 or even 9th edition whether created by players or GW themselves. EEFL!
The new rules that will be developed here are only new expansions and army books. So you can choose to use them in your games or not. For example, if you don't like our Stormhosts of Sigmar army list, just don't use it. This way new rules are contained to one place/supplement and a player can choose to use it or not.
Regarding terrain, I personally hated True Line of Sight when 8th was released, but now, after 5 years or so of playing it, I'm use to it. In fact I've been to tournaments where I have lost games because X terrain is infinitely tall and blocks all LOS, meanwhile the terrain piece might only be 4 " or 5" tall. Although I understand the rule on paper, my brain is not thinking about the modification while looking at the battlefield. I've had opponents tell me, you can't see here because of this tournament rule, then a minute later I'm still trying to charge because I think I can see over the terrain piece (anyone else have that problem?). Wargaming is a visual thing, and it's an important element in 8th edition, we should leave it alone.
The best terrain fix is to create appropriate tertian for you games. Make woods packed with trees and foliage to make it difficult to see through, create larger, huge hills, etc. It works!
I agree that 8th should be kept the way it is now. As soon as you start creating 8.1, 8.5, etc., then you open up your games to much confusion.
"Wait. I thought X unit could do this now?"
"No, that was version 8.4. This is version 8.7."
"Well, why aren't we playing 8.4?"
"Because there was one rule I didn't like."
I could see that happening time and time again. Keep the 8th core the same and make house rules if you want. If someone wants to incorporate a supplement or new army (return of Chaos Dwarfs anyone?) then that will make a good topic for discussion. But add it to the core BRB.
My armies: Empire, Dwarfs, High Elves, Wood Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Skaven, Tomb Kings, Ogre Kingdoms, Orcs and Goblins, and Skitarii (40K).