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Orcs and Goblins 2500 Dec 16, 2019 23:32:10 GMT knoffles likes this

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Post by 1plussave on Dec 16, 2019 23:32:10 GMT

I've been trying to get this list to fit in all the things I want to this All-Comers/Tournament style list, still thinking about either taking out stuff to fit the Black Orc character as a Warboss instead or if I can drop things to the point I can throw in a Night Goblin Warboss with the Wizarding Hat for some variety. Or Both.

The Hope was to get good odds at the Gift of the Spider God spell with 3 Little Waaagh! levels and 4 Big Waaagh! levels to pray for either the Hand or the Foot of Gork, both are just too fun to pass up. The list is fairly standard stuff; Great Shaman and Black Orc keep the Savages on target, the Goblins get within shooting range and try to tempt charges to tie units down or just pretend to be a threat with poisoned shooting, the Black Orcs and Trolls flank and wait for monsters or cavalry to try it, the Wolf Riders and various Chariot type units play the chaff war game and anything that looks hesitant to move up to fight me gets a rock or a flying goblin to the face.

I suppose I could give up on the Night Goblin Big Boss (hes 3 strength 6 attacks for less than a troll, don't judge) and second Shaman and some other stuff to fit in either the Hat Warboss or upgrade the Black Orc Big Boss to a Warboss. Any thoughts welcome, I feel like I can't fit the last 2 things I want in with the space I have left (Night Goblin Hat Warboss is 150 points and Black Orc Warboss would be another 20 points to replace the Big Boss but would have no defence as my general).

Lords
Savage Orc Great Shaman 290
Level 4; Lore of the Big Waaagh!, Lucky Shrunken Head, Fencer's Blades

Heroes
Black Orc Big Boss 140
Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation

Goblin Big Boss 151
Battle Standard Bearer, Light Armour, Shield, Shortbow, Spider Standard

Night Goblin Shaman 110
Level 2; Lore of the Little Waaagh!, Dispel Scroll

Night Goblin Shaman 50
Level 1; Lore of the Little Waaagh!

Night Goblin Big Boss 34
Great Weapon

Core
Savage Orc Big 'Uns (38) 473
Full Command, Additional Hand Weapons, Big Stabbas, Big 'Uns Upgrade.

Goblins (47) 248
Full Command, Shields, Shortbows, 3 Nasty Skulkers

Goblin Wolf Riders (5) 55
Shields

Goblin Wolf Riders (5) 55
Shields

Special
Goblin Wolf Chariot 50

Goblin Wolf Chariot 50

Black Orcs (18) 279
Shields, Full Command, Standard of Eternal Flame

Trolls (6) 210

Rare
Snotling Pump Wagon 70
Out-Rigga, Spiky Rolla

Snotling Pump Wagon 70
Out-Rigga, Spiky Rolla

Doom Diver 85

Goblin Rock Lobber 80

Last Edit: Dec 18, 2019 22:06:32 GMT by 1plussave

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Orcs and Goblins 2500 Dec 17, 2019 23:55:09 GMT via mobile

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Post by tileag on Dec 17, 2019 23:55:09 GMT

This is a pretty good list and kind of close to one i used to use in a league i was in. I would probably drop the black orcs and beef up the trolls (or vice versa). Maybe add a couple of spear chuckas and beef up the savage orc horde

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Orcs and Goblins 2500 Dec 18, 2019 22:03:31 GMT

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Post by 1plussave on Dec 18, 2019 22:03:31 GMT

I like the Black Orc/Troll combo because I have 2 solutions to armour, high toughness monsters and Regeneration and also not running around failing Animosity for either flank or to load down one side, I was trying to keep them both effective but cheap to avoid too many eggs situations. The Savages are the minimum necessary for a Horde + Ranks for the same reason.

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Orcs and Goblins 2500 Dec 19, 2019 17:51:48 GMT

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Post by sedge on Dec 19, 2019 17:51:48 GMT

I think the BO unit in particular is a bit too small. I know I'm a hypocrite who's intending to run a unit of just that size, but that's in a smaller 1800 point game and my focus there is really on fielding as many of the cool units as possible.

Toughness 4, 5+ save and Always Strikes Last (if you're swinging with great weapons - which is what the BOs are there for) results in a lot of dead BOs, and quickly. The unit can easily lose a lot to shooting, and before it's even struck in combat.

The worry is that by trying to fit in both the BOs and Trolls you're ending up with two sub-par units that don't have the staying power to be effective. You would probably be better off fully committing to one or the other and bulking them up.

That said, I often disregard my own advice and run smaller than optimal units, because like you I prefer to bring more units rather than just relying on a couple of key blocks.

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Orcs and Goblins 2500 Dec 20, 2019 1:23:04 GMT knoffles likes this

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Post by 1plussave on Dec 20, 2019 1:23:04 GMT

I could probably turn them into a second Troll unit and find points to beef both units up to 8 Trolls, I don't feel like dropping the Trolls in favour of more Black Orcs too much though because the Orcs are the more vulnerable unit in most situations and the trolls auto hits for stomp and/or vomit really add up vs units that play silly buggers with hit rolls. The alternative is 12 trolls (sadly no Rare trolls, artillery and Wagons eat too many points) and at that point I have 3 huge point sink blocks and a pile of chaff, not terrible, but not great either if my leadership goes down to poor luck.

I might be relying too much on the idea that I can get them into flanks while the big blocks sweep up, odds are I'm just giving someone a better target, I do need another unit or 2 though in there for more drops and to be reliable when the Savages or the Goblins are acting up.

A block of 10 or a pair of units of 5 Savage Boar Boys with shields and spears could be fun, but I'm fielding 6 chaff/counter chaff units already and the block is more of a danger to itself without a Black Orc Boss. I'm tempted to just add in a huge unit of Parrying Night Goblins with netters and Fanatics to waste peoples time even more.

Dropping the Black Orcs and taking the trolls to 8 so I can spend the remaining 200 points on upgrades and a another Rock Lobber and Doom Diver or pair of Mangler Squigs works too. I just kind of wanted the Black Orcs. The Doom Diver/Rock Lobber combos will fulfil the Black Orcs role of levelling armour and monsters, whereas the Mangler Squigs make Distraction Carnifex look uninteresting.