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Post by Lizards_of_Renown on Apr 23, 2021 11:03:20 GMT
I can't speak for Necromunda. But the new Blood Bowl 2020 is solid. Sure, there are changes, but they've been responsive and though there are, like all editions of any game, some naysayers, it's good. That's good to hear. I hope the same team does the old world then and not the guys who worked on Necromunda (shudders).
I second this.
The new Necromunda is a travesty in my opinion. What happened to proper multi-leveled warfare! This was one of my favourite bits as there was a real 3D battlefield and you really had to think your moves through. This, IMHO, really reflected what it would be like in the Underhive.
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Post by josephnunn on May 10, 2021 17:30:05 GMT
Hi Everyone,
I'm new to the forum, and this is my first post excepting my intro, so please forgive me for hopping in on this but this thread IS the reason I finally joined so here is my two cents on this topic.
Let us all step back over for a minute and think carefully about the upcoming TOW, ignoring all rumors. I believe, perhaps for the first time ever, GW is going to give their WFB fanbase exactly what they want.
GW left a lot of money on the table when they went to AoS, the fan base split and many of the older, more established and wealthier, players didn't follow. This provided an opening for Kings of War and other games, other companies, to step in and fill the void, creating real competition for the first time in a long time.
Additionally, money, serious money, is still being spent, this time on Ebay for out of print models and books, at prices GW only wishes they could charge. And the success of Warhammer Total War is the final straw, new players are ready to come in and come in big.
GW wants this market back, and cow elves and fish elves is not going to work. These players and this fan base is into classic fantasy, classic mythology, and just doesn't buy into the made up crazy nonsense, its too much like superheros.
I don't even think they will use the fake names, despite what the lawyers say, it is clear the lawyers are wrong on how to make money from this group. If you can use orcs, elves and dwarfs for free, YOU DO IT, even if you can't lock the IP down, the classic fantasy tropes simply cannot be replaced, end of story.
GW wants to sell models to people like me who are buying them on Ebay, they would like to sell new copies of rules to us rather than us getting them on Ebay, again at prices they only wish they could sell them for new.
There is only one way to do that, they have to give us what we want, we've already won we just haven't realized it yet. However we probably should have when they showed the square base off.
Ok, maybe the scale will be slightly bigger, but I doubt it. New models and books from Forge World will certainly be expensive, no doubt. But rest assured that a rank and flank squared based Warhammer Fantasy Battle is exactly what is going to come back, that is what the players want, and if you want that business back they MUST give it to us the way we want it, eos, or the whole TOW project will fail.
Get ready, because WFB TOW is going to be the biggest, longest lasting Specialist game ever, it will never die if they do exactly what we want, or it will die on the vine if they don't. Over time, it will be hugely profitable for GW, as it turns into the graduate school of fantasy tabletop games for well heeled adults.
Relax, WE have the power now.
Joseph
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Post by Lizards_of_Renown on May 10, 2021 17:39:56 GMT
Hi Everyone, I'm new to the forum, and this is my first post excepting my intro, so please forgive me for hopping in on this but this thread IS the reason I finally joined so here is my two cents on this topic. Let us all step back over for a minute and think carefully about the upcoming TOW, ignoring all rumors. I believe, perhaps for the first time ever, GW is going to give their WFB fanbase exactly what they want. GW left a lot of money on the table when they went to AoS, the fan base split and many of the older, more established and wealthier, players didn't follow. This provided an opening for Kings of War and other games, other companies, to step in and fill the void, creating real competition for the first time in a long time. Additionally, money, serious money, is still being spent, this time on Ebay for out of print models and books, at prices GW only wishes they could charge. And the success of Warhammer Total War is the final straw, new players are ready to come in and come in big. GW wants this market back, and cow elves and fish elves is not going to work. These players and this fan base is into classic fantasy, classic mythology, and just doesn't buy into the made up crazy nonsense, its too much like superheros. I don't even think they will use the fake names, despite what the lawyers say, it is clear the lawyers are wrong on how to make money from this group. If you can use orcs, elves and dwarfs for free, YOU DO IT, even if you can't lock the IP down, the classic fantasy tropes simply cannot be replaced, end of story. GW wants to sell models to people like me who are buying them on Ebay, they would like to sell new copies of rules to us rather than us getting them on Ebay, again at prices they only wish they could sell them for new. There is only one way to do that, they have to give us what we want, we've already won we just haven't realized it yet. However we probably should have when they showed the square base off. Ok, maybe the scale will be slightly bigger, but I doubt it. New models and books from Forge World will certainly be expensive, no doubt. But rest assured that a rank and flank squared based Warhammer Fantasy Battle is exactly what is going to come back, that is what the players want, and if you want that business back they MUST give it to us the way we want it, eos, or the whole TOW project will fail. Get ready, because WFB TOW is going to be the biggest, longest lasting Specialist game ever, it will never die if they do exactly what we want, or it will die on the vine if they don't. Over time, it will be hugely profitable for GW, as it turns into the graduate school of fantasy tabletop games for well heeled adults. Relax, WE have the power now. Joseph I would like this to be true. And I would like my cynical viewpoint to be wrong
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Post by strutsagget on May 10, 2021 17:51:49 GMT
Don’t we all wish it to be true, fingers crossed.
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Post by sedge on May 14, 2021 8:27:30 GMT
We are not forgotten: www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/13/a-giant-bear-beats-up-daemons-in-total-war-warhammer-iiis-new-gameplay-trailer/New trailers for Total War Warhammer 3, and the accompanying text says: "As you’ll have gathered by now, the Kislev units appearing in Total War: Warhammer III are being designed for Warhammer The Old World by our very own creative team."Which means we may be getting any of the following in W:TOW - Little Grom - While having cannons towed by mere packhorses and pushed into place by their gunners might be good enough for the Empire, the unforgiving nature of war in the frozen north demands a more hardy approach, designed by our very own studio for Warhammer The Old World. Instead of horses, the giant gun affectionately named Little Grom is towed by two mighty bears atop a magical carpet of ice – nearby Kislevites are so emboldened by its majesty that they fight even harder than usual in its presence.Elemental Bear The warriors of Kislev believe that, in times of great need, the land itself will rise up in defence of Ursun’s faithful. A massive invasion from the Chaos Wastes undoubtedly qualifies, and so the gigantic Elemental Bears are called from the earth to fight back the tides of daemons. Designed by the Warhammer studio, the Elemental Bear is a colossal engine of destruction that embodies everything Kislev’s people hold dear about their homeland. Frankly, there’s no better symbol of Kislev than a giant bear made of ice and stone, and even the daemons of Chaos will know to fear their brute strength and crackling frost magic.And a final bit: We took a look at one of them last year, the Tsarina’s devoted Ice Guard, and now we want to show you the map of Kislev as it appeared in the time of heroes like Louen Orc-Slayer.
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Post by Horace on May 14, 2021 8:40:22 GMT
I spy Chaos Dwarfs
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Post by DiscoQing on May 14, 2021 10:41:50 GMT
Louen!
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Post by Yvain on May 14, 2021 11:47:04 GMT
The power nerds and incels were complaining all over the internet about the revealed Kislev's designs, but I always thought they were fine.
After having watched the gameplay trailer I kind of like everything about it. They all look great and the style fits in the game well.
My only complaint is I kind of envisioned Kislev as a lighter mostly cav force. Kind of like a hybrid between Wood Elves and Brets, emphasizing mobility. Turin (one of the big TWW youtubers) describing them as more of a hybrid between dwarfs and empire. However, this is still pretty early so we will see how it pans out.
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 14, 2021 14:23:48 GMT
Hi Everyone, I'm new to the forum, and this is my first post excepting my intro, so please forgive me for hopping in on this but this thread IS the reason I finally joined so here is my two cents on this topic. Let us all step back over for a minute and think carefully about the upcoming TOW, ignoring all rumors. I believe, perhaps for the first time ever, GW is going to give their WFB fanbase exactly what they want. GW left a lot of money on the table when they went to AoS, the fan base split and many of the older, more established and wealthier, players didn't follow. This provided an opening for Kings of War and other games, other companies, to step in and fill the void, creating real competition for the first time in a long time. Additionally, money, serious money, is still being spent, this time on Ebay for out of print models and books, at prices GW only wishes they could charge. And the success of Warhammer Total War is the final straw, new players are ready to come in and come in big. GW wants this market back, and cow elves and fish elves is not going to work. These players and this fan base is into classic fantasy, classic mythology, and just doesn't buy into the made up crazy nonsense, its too much like superheros. I don't even think they will use the fake names, despite what the lawyers say, it is clear the lawyers are wrong on how to make money from this group. If you can use orcs, elves and dwarfs for free, YOU DO IT, even if you can't lock the IP down, the classic fantasy tropes simply cannot be replaced, end of story. GW wants to sell models to people like me who are buying them on Ebay, they would like to sell new copies of rules to us rather than us getting them on Ebay, again at prices they only wish they could sell them for new. There is only one way to do that, they have to give us what we want, we've already won we just haven't realized it yet. However we probably should have when they showed the square base off. Ok, maybe the scale will be slightly bigger, but I doubt it. New models and books from Forge World will certainly be expensive, no doubt. But rest assured that a rank and flank squared based Warhammer Fantasy Battle is exactly what is going to come back, that is what the players want, and if you want that business back they MUST give it to us the way we want it, eos, or the whole TOW project will fail. Get ready, because WFB TOW is going to be the biggest, longest lasting Specialist game ever, it will never die if they do exactly what we want, or it will die on the vine if they don't. Over time, it will be hugely profitable for GW, as it turns into the graduate school of fantasy tabletop games for well heeled adults. Relax, WE have the power now. Joseph I like your enthusiasm, but I will only agree with you if GW bring back at least all the 8th Edition plastics deleted during the Fantasy era if nothing else, in the style of Middle Earth, with only brand new factions and brand new units getting Forge World models. It makes sense from both a customer perspective and a business perspective (why shell out on new Forge World moulds when you’ve got existing moulds for plastic models on your doorstep?), especially given we know they keep the moulds for a lot of models long after they stopped selling them, because of the Made to Order programme releasing Finecast Fantasy characters for a while. I’m certainly not going to get into TOW if everything is at Forge World’s ridiculous prices, that’s for sure.
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Post by Golgfag on May 14, 2021 14:23:52 GMT
All looks great to me, I am sure the people who believe true WFB is that short period in 6th edition when GW removed a lot of the soul & fun from the WFB setting will be upset and claim it is too high magic though.
Excited to see more about Kislev and Cathay, the way I look at the return is at the very least we all get some great new sculpts even if the game is not what we wish to play.
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 14, 2021 17:06:38 GMT
All looks great to me, I am sure the people who believe true WFB is that short period in 6th edition when GW removed a lot of the soul & fun from the WFB setting will be upset and claim it is too high magic though. That’s odd because pretty much all the talk I’ve heard of 6th Edition before now was pretty positive, and that most people who don’t play 8th instead play 6th because of the various campaigns and expansions that produced additional content and pretty much all the armies having an up-to-date book in that Edition. What did GW do in those times to ‘remove the soul’ from the setting then? (I joined the hobby during the 7th Ed era so I don’t know much about 6th).
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Post by Naitsabes on May 14, 2021 19:22:51 GMT
6th edition was the highpoint of grim, dark, less humor, less fantasy. Easiest to see in the Empire books through the editions.
It's like salt. Everybody has their taste for the right amount. I think the bear sled with magical ice carpet sounds stupid but a steam tank is okay. Some may like the magic ice carpet, some may not even like a steam tank. And much like with salt, the amount of magic and humor in warhammer one prefers, often depends on the amount one encountered in his formative years.
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Post by Golgfag on May 14, 2021 21:30:59 GMT
I actually started in 6th, so had that nostalgia for years, claimed Warhammer Fantasy was low fantasy, went through a phase of thinking every new unit added in 7th or 8th was a little silly and then I started collecting WFB material from before the early years of 6th and realised no, it was a brief period in time that the people in creative tried to change WFB in to being super serious.
They removed a lot of characterful units some of which returned but many which sadly never did, the background material in the army books while enjoyable was extremely slim too.
It did not even last all of 6th, as we got lots of fun stuff later on including alternative armies like Zombie Pirates.
In the end nothing wrong with people not enjoying certain units but I will always debate the idea that WFB is low fantasy, that things like giant snow bear golems do not belong in WFB as WFB was always silly, always crazy and over the top other then a brief period of a couple of years at most.
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Post by KevinC on May 17, 2021 16:11:21 GMT
My favorite part of the map: Nation of the Hobgobla-Khans!!!
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Post by strutsagget on May 17, 2021 16:45:54 GMT
My favorite part of the map: Nation of the Hobgobla-Khans!!! Oh I had not seen that!!!
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