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Post by livewaaaaagh on May 11, 2020 18:45:53 GMT
two thoughts:
1 - This is looking promising. I'm actually excited to see what's next.
2 - The more they share, the more I'm inclined to think this will in fact be a new game and I'd be very surprised if we're able to use many/any of the 8th edition minis.
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Post by strutsagget on May 11, 2020 20:37:18 GMT
Looks promising.
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Post by DiscoQing on May 11, 2020 20:50:51 GMT
Norse Dwarfs!
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Post by sedge on May 11, 2020 20:59:32 GMT
2 - The more they share, the more I'm inclined to think this will in fact be a new game and I'd be very surprised if we're able to use many/any of the 8th edition minis. What makes you think that? It's not the approach they've taken for Necromunda or Blood Bowl.
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Post by livewaaaaagh on May 11, 2020 21:06:47 GMT
2 - The more they share, the more I'm inclined to think this will in fact be a new game and I'd be very surprised if we're able to use many/any of the 8th edition minis. What makes you think that? It's not the approach they've taken for Necromunda or Blood Bowl. 3 things and one of them I need more confirmation on, as I'm not 100% familiar. 1 - How does 30k work? Can I play 40k with my 30k minis, or vice versa? This is the one I'm not entirely sure on. 2 - The fact that so far they've decided to explore a "new/old" faction, as opposed to updating one of the 16 main factions. 3 - They need to sell models at the end of the day. One way to do that is by creating new models for the game. Is the expectation they'd do what they did in AOS potentially and re-write rules for every mini, and then slowly but surely weed them out? I'm not too sure they're putting th emanpower for this. If you were going to do 8th edition armies, why not kick off with some of the new units that Creative Assembly created for Total War Warhammer? Imagine a Brettonians vs Vampirates box. Would sell like hot cakes, bring in the computer world together with the tabletop, and still allow for all armies to be used. There are rumours that Kislev is coming in Wrhammer 3 - so maybe we're going to see Armoured bears in Warhammer 3?
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Post by sedge on May 11, 2020 21:16:55 GMT
1) For the most part yes. At the end of the day a space marine is a space marine, a chaos space marine is a chaos space marine, and a daemon is a daemon. There's a few funky bits like the legion unique units, primarchs or weird Ad Mech stuff, but they often give them 40k rules too (not primarchs obviously) or actively encourage kind-of proxying them as a regular 40k unit.
2) I don't think that precludes updating the old ones. As has been discussed, a big part of launching this game is to appeal to the old WFB players and TW:W players and they want the regular factions because that's what they've experienced. I think they're just spotlighting Kislev because it's something people have wanted for years and it's easy to get us excited by the prospect of finally having new Kislev stuff.
3) I don't know what their approach will be, but I'd guess they will bring back some old kits but look to release new stuff for each faction, some at a time. And yes, GW sells lots of exciting new kits and old ones not nearly so much so they'll be keen to have new kits out. But every race has the potential for new stuff (even Dark Elves who had a bumper 8th release) whether that's entirely new units or old ones re-done.
I'd also speculate (and this is pure speculation) that they'll do their releases around campaign books which will jump around in Warhammer history - their previews showing the (probable) time setting of the Age of Three Emperors suggests that'll be the case. That means they can release special characters from across different timelines - maybe we get Aenarion and Caledor from the war against daemons or later characters from the Sundering, Snorri Whitebeard and that poncy HE king from the War of the Beard, Magnus the Pious and Asavar Kul from the Great War Against Chaos.
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 12, 2020 10:30:32 GMT
Nice bears, pity those designs will be wasted on Forge World minis.
Could you imagine what a great plastic kit they would have made if GW had been more enthusiastic?
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Post by strutsagget on May 12, 2020 10:44:54 GMT
Nice bears, pity those designs will be wasted on Forge World minis. Could you imagine what a great plastic kit they would have made if GW had been more enthusiastic? They do plastics too from my under standing. Hores Hersey starter box is just plastic sprues.
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Post by roughtimes on May 12, 2020 17:00:05 GMT
I'm guessing the new rules will make room for the old models
But after hanging out in the FB group, I'm convinced this will definitely not be an updated 8th.
I forgot how brutal 8th ed was if you were just starting out and had to buy/paint such large units. They need to avoid that in any new rules set if they are going to keep the same scale and pricing.
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Post by roughtimes on May 12, 2020 17:04:42 GMT
Yeah, I remember those guys. There were two (harry and hastings - I think) that were usually right. I think they were actually employed by GW and there just to leak tidbits of info. Keep the interest in GW going. Of course, I can't PROVE that. Just another rumor floating around. They'd say things like they "saw" a model sprue coming out, etc. GW's not going to let Average Joe come strolling in to see their innermost workings. All the rest were guesses. Some people got it right. As soon as End Times was announced, I knew it was the death knoll for 8th. That's when I started trying to buy up as much as I possibly could and really adding to my mountain of "to do" projects. Some guesses are right. This guy though....as Sedge pointed out, most of his reasoning is just inaccurate. Now, I don't mind people wish-listing, but call it what it is. Don't lie to people and say you know something when you clearly don't. I equate this as the same as those people who create computer viruses just because they can. It's just wrong and only wastes time and causes people undue frustration. Harry definitely did not work for GW No idea about the other one
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Post by tileag on May 12, 2020 22:03:48 GMT
GW really needed to promote or focus on smaller type games along with having the ability to play massive 8th battles (Ive heard of the argument$ why they didnt). To play a 2500 point game after buying models, paint, primer, paint brushes, clippers, army book, 8th rule book, dice, tape maeasure, templates, magic cards (optional, but nice), glue etc can be a hefty investment.
This is a debate thats gone on for a looong time but im hopeful maybe with the return of the old world there will be a balance struck.
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Post by Horace on May 12, 2020 22:26:14 GMT
Yeah, I remember those guys. There were two (harry and hastings - I think) that were usually right. I think they were actually employed by GW and there just to leak tidbits of info. Keep the interest in GW going. Of course, I can't PROVE that. Just another rumor floating around. They'd say things like they "saw" a model sprue coming out, etc. GW's not going to let Average Joe come strolling in to see their innermost workings. All the rest were guesses. Some people got it right. As soon as End Times was announced, I knew it was the death knoll for 8th. That's when I started trying to buy up as much as I possibly could and really adding to my mountain of "to do" projects. Some guesses are right. This guy though....as Sedge pointed out, most of his reasoning is just inaccurate. Now, I don't mind people wish-listing, but call it what it is. Don't lie to people and say you know something when you clearly don't. I equate this as the same as those people who create computer viruses just because they can. It's just wrong and only wastes time and causes people undue frustration. Harry definitely did not work for GW No idea about the other one I think they both knew people in the know so gleaned info that way. Hastings is still knocking around on some odd forums I'm still holding out hope for a 4th edition scale game where 20 models was a large unit. Then you can go up and down in scale from there depending how many models you have
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Post by roughtimes on May 13, 2020 3:00:15 GMT
Harry definitely did not work for GW No idea about the other one I think they both knew people in the know so gleaned info that way. Hastings is still knocking around on some odd forums I'm still holding out hope for a 4th edition scale game where 20 models was a large unit. Then you can go up and down in scale from there depending how many models you have For sure I remember knowing the deal with Harry at some point but can't for the life of me remember the story. Total agreement with the 20 models. I like 24 bc I think six wide looks cooler but I really hope it's not 30-50 again.
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Post by roughtimes on May 13, 2020 3:02:25 GMT
GW really needed to promote or focus on smaller type games along with having the ability to play massive 8th battles (Ive heard of the argument$ why they didnt). To play a 2500 point game after buying models, paint, primer, paint brushes, clippers, army book, 8th rule book, dice, tape maeasure, templates, magic cards (optional, but nice), glue etc can be a hefty investment. This is a debate thats gone on for a looong time but im hopeful maybe with the return of the old world there will be a balance struck. I'm curious to see what they can do. I'm not interested in a skirmish game but 8th edition felt a bit out of hand if you played armies like skaven.
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Post by lordofskullpass on May 13, 2020 8:19:02 GMT
I think they both knew people in the know so gleaned info that way. Hastings is still knocking around on some odd forums I'm still holding out hope for a 4th edition scale game where 20 models was a large unit. Then you can go up and down in scale from there depending how many models you have For sure I remember knowing the deal with Harry at some point but can't for the life of me remember the story. Total agreement with the 20 models. I like 24 bc I think six wide looks cooler but I really hope it's not 30-50 again. I preferred smaller-scale battles too, and don't have any units in my collection bigger than around 25 models - the only real reason why people took larger units of 30+ models in 8th was due to the Horde rule, which I'm hoping will be kicked out in TOW.
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