Post by midnightfox0083 on May 10, 2020 23:12:03 GMT
You're not wrong, but considering the book is set during an Imperial civil war and books will most likely be done in campaigns where they only have 1-3 armies, providing only plastic units for the most likely most fleshed out army list of the release makes more sense. I expect to see a lot of Empire armies from people not coming in with older armies.
If it's set in the lengthy Age of Three Emperors then you've got Gorbad Ironclaw's Waaaagh and the various von Carstein Vampires Counts' invasions that could be a focal point beyond just puffy sleeve Empire vs furry hat Empire.
I do think Empire vs Empire is unlikely in a starter box, as that massively reduces the appeal of a box set to non-Empire collectors.
Post by lordofskullpass on May 11, 2020 10:28:23 GMT
I honestly think that an Empire vs Empire box would suck so much it'd visibly hurt. GW would be shooting their entire leg off, not just their foot. In a game that is supposed to be set in Warhammer Fantasy, with all those different factions kicking around, would anyone really want Renaissance Germans vs more Renaissance Germans? BORING. As I've mentioned in another thread, players who want to play that are better off going to Warlord and learning Pike and Shotte with Landsknechts.
The War of the Three Emperors era still featured factions other than Empire like sedge says - Bretonnia were alive and kicking (and a UNIFIED NATION I might add), the Dwarfs were battling Greenskins and Skaven, e.t.c - indeed pretty much every Fantasy faction that existed in the 8th-End Times timeline also existed in some form back in the War of the Three Emperors, so there would really be little excuse to not have a starter set with extremely different factions. I'm wondering if GW have set TOW in the War of the Three Emperors timeline so that they can easily implement a sub-faction mechanic like in AoS for every army, without breaking established canon, because if they tried that in 8th Edition time period Empire players might complain that because the Empire is under Karl Franz by this time, there wouldn't be any Imperial subfactions, even though the city states were still at odds with each other even then (just peacefully rather than at arms with swords and shot).
Post by lordofskullpass on May 13, 2020 9:06:13 GMT
At this stage things are looking especially interesting - Bretonnia has a sizeable lead, with the Empire second. Because Bretonnia vs Empire wouldn't be an especially interesting starter set, and Empire is of course the most LIKELY candidate where we're looking for the most WANTED candidates, our community-driven starter set would be better off having Bretonnia vs one of Beastmen, Chaos Dwarfs, Greenskins or Tomb Kings (the 4 armies currently in joint third place with 4 votes apiece).
Tied to the Total War Game? - check No old model lines or super rare model lines? - check, so people will have to shell out. Fits the fluff? - check Possibility to expand and create entirely new minis? - check
Can we start wishlisting units for our preferred starting boxes yet?
As a lot of people have voted, I'd say we can.
I personally voted for Bretonnia vs Tomb Kings, because not only would such a starter box give two very different playstyles and aesthetics to choose from, it would also invoke a massive sigh of relief from much of the Fantasy community, as it would gift us with the knowledge that GW weren't going to do anything too silly with TOW. Of course the most likely candidates to feature would be Empire and something like Greenskins or Warriors of Chaos, but as awesome as they are, Greenskins have been in every boxed game except the 5th and 8th Edition ones, and Empire did have quite a recent stint in the 6th Edition box. Bretonnians were last seen in 5th and Tomb Kings haven't yet been in a boxed game at all. I say it's time for some variety!
As for wishlisting, I thought of some sample armies for the boxed game a while back:
Bretonnians - 1 Duke on Hippogryph, 1 Damsel/Prophetess, 2 units of 9 Knights of the Realm, 20 Battle Pilgrims, 1 Trebuchet
This would give one of pretty much some of every troop type available so that new players could properly start practicing the rules for everything and would give the two armies very different ways to play - the Bretonnian player can have fun with lots of cavalry, a monster and a war machine, while the Tomb Kings player has a good lot of Skeletons, mummies and some Monstrous Infantry to play with. Both sides also have a general to lead their forces and a spellcaster to mess around with magic.