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Post by strutsagget on May 10, 2020 7:02:37 GMT
Hi I wonder how it works with spells that doesn’t target in its text.
We got into this situation that his ogre bus were carrying rune maw.
I cast pit of shades, we played is at it did target. So rune maw worked.
Same thing with THE PENUMBRAL PENDULUM, we played as as it’s a line template that targets in its Way and rune maw worked.
Both are direct damage
In brb:
“To cast a spell, a Wizard nominates one of his spells to cast, and declares the target of the spell.”
“Direct damage spells are deadly attacks that strike the foe without warning. Direct damage spells can only ever be cast on enemy units.”
Found this in faq:
Q: Do ranged direct damage spells that use a template have to target an enemy unit? (p31)
A: Yes, the template must be placed over the target enemy unit.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 10, 2020 7:50:43 GMT
You are correct that all Direct Damage spells follow the specific DD rules and restrictions, as well as the general rules and restrictions for casting spells - unless, of course, specifically state otherwise.
Thus, the Rune Maw certainly works on Pit of Shades. However, Penumbral Pendulum has been amended to be a spell without type.
Official Update Version 1.9, p. 5:
Reference Section – The Lore of Shadow, The Penumbral Pendulum.
Ignore the first sentence of the second paragraph. This spell does not have a type.
Note that PP is not defined as a template either. Nevertheless, since the spell description does not specifically state that it has no target, the general rules and restrictions for casting spells still apply. Hence, I would argue that the Rune Maw still works.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 10, 2020 8:21:31 GMT
To add: the general rules & restrictions regarding spells do not actually require the target to be a unit or model per se. in the case of PP, your opponent could therefore just nominate a point on the ground (like in the case of cannon), and the Ogre unit would not be targeted as such, just end up as "collateral damage." The Rune Maw would not work in that case.
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Post by strutsagget on May 10, 2020 11:14:07 GMT
To add: the general rules & restrictions regarding spells do not actually require the target to be a unit or model per se. in the case of PP, your opponent could therefore just nominate a point on the ground (like in the case of cannon), and the Ogre unit would not be targeted as such, just end up as "collateral damage." The Rune Maw would not work in that case. Doesn’t not the faq handles this that say you must target a unit? |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 10, 2020 11:36:45 GMT
For direct damage spells that use a template, yes. The FAQ simply confirms what is, in fact, evident from the DD rules themselves. Pit of Shades, being a DD spell using a template, must target an enemy unit. However, Penumbral Pendulum is not a DD spell (per amendment), but a spell without a type. As such, it does not need to target an enemy unit. It does not use a template either, but that is irrelevant for the issue at hand.
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Post by strutsagget on May 10, 2020 11:38:22 GMT
Ah you ment PP, Is it not a line template when resolved like a bouncing cannonball?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 10, 2020 11:51:37 GMT
The PP spell description says "Each model in the way (determined as for a bouncing cannonball) must pass an Initiative test or suffer a Strength 10 hit causing Multiple Wounds (D3)" (BRB p. 498). That just means that a maximum of one model per rank struck can be hit (with the target's files counting as ranks, if hit in the flank). It does not mean that PP uses a template.
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Post by strutsagget on May 10, 2020 11:54:20 GMT
The PP spell description says "Each model in the way (determined as for a bouncing cannonball) must pass an Initiative test or suffer a Strength 10 hit causing Multiple Wounds (D3)" (BRB p. 498). That just means that a maximum of one model per rank struck can be hit (with the target's files counting as ranks, if hit in the flank). It does not mean that PP uses a template. Thank you 🙏 |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 10, 2020 14:46:29 GMT
Having re-read the rules, I must reconsider my position regarding PP using a template. Ranged attacks cause hits that are either distributed over the unit, or hits on a specific area (templates). The hits caused by PP are clearly not distributed over the unit. So,"determined as for a bouncing cannonball" is best understood as referring to the whole sub-section of "Who's been hit" on p. 113. And that section starts with the sentence "The bounce of the cannonball is treated exactly like a special kind of template, which we assume to be about the width of the cannonball itself." So, I now think PP is a template, after all, but that is still irrelevant regarding the question of the Rune Maw.
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