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Post by strutsagget on Sept 4, 2020 18:28:25 GMT
So does the lizzies book mean natural 6s or will it miss a predatory fighter extra roll on +/- to hit? Like mark of nurgle and PHÂ’S PROTECTION?
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Post by Lizards_of_Renown on Sept 4, 2020 18:45:28 GMT
So does the lizzies book mean natural 6s or will it miss a predatory fighter extra roll on +/- to hit? Like mark of nurgle and PHÂ’S PROTECTION? Rules as written is just when they roll a "6" when rolling to hit. So doesn't matter on modifiers either way. The WS chart in the BRB means that the maximum you need to roll to hit is a 5+. If you have Mark of Nurgle in this scenario then it would be 6's to hit (and also thus generating an extra attack). Is there a specific scenario that occurred making you ask the question? |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 5, 2020 11:39:28 GMT
RAW, it seems unclear.
There is BRB p. 10 specifying:
"You 'll notice that some of the rules refer to a 'natural' dice roll - this refers to the actual number the dice rolled, ignoring any modifiers that might apply. This phrase is quite useful as there are quite a few dice modifiers sloshing around in the Warhammer rules, and we sometimes want the dice scores themselves (without the modifiers) rather than the total result (including the modifiers."
But since GW is not always consistent in its game register, we cannot be sure that this distinction is maintained throughout. At least in the French edition, I have noticed a couple of examples where the "natural" of the English version is missing, and never rectified in an Update Version. That said, those examples usually include the text "whatever the modifiers that may apply."
On the other hand, BRB p. 7 specifies:
"Sometimes, you may have to modify the result of the dice roll. This is noted as D6 plus or minus a number, such as D6+1. Roll the dice and add or subtract the number given to or from the score (as appropriate) to get the final result. For example, D6+2 means roll a dice an add 2 to the score, giving a total between 3 and 8."
This could be read that the "dice roll" equals a "natural dice roll," but other examples in the BRB indicate otherwise.
For reasons of simplicity, I would interpret it as a natural dice roll. If you choose not to, however, you cannot cherry-pick. If you roll a 6, but have a modifier of -1 or +1, it would mean no additional attack.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Sept 5, 2020 12:16:35 GMT
To add: I noticed that the Stegadon Giant Bow has the same phrase: "If the giant bow rolls a 6 To Hit, only the first model hit is wounded automatically. If that model is slain then roll To Wound the next as normal" (Lizardmen AB p. 45). Since this refers to the Poisoned Attacks special rule, "rolls a 6 to Hit" here means "rolls a natural 6 to Hit." Hence, it is best to interpret Predatory Fighter in the same way.
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