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Post by DiscoQing on Feb 11, 2021 18:45:01 GMT
I get it now.
My Bret Lord's WS is 6.
If he fails his Fear Test, he stays WS6, as that's what his profile says. Regardless of the Fear rule.
His stat profile is static, like a WS6 machine gun 😂😂😂
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Post by anechrome on Feb 11, 2021 18:57:39 GMT
Sorry Vulcan, I should have replied to this sooner. In the case of the crimson death the effect of S6 is added at the beginning of the game and cannot be altered. It is therefore in this case irrelevant if the effect is either continual or applied continously. It cannot be altered either way no matter what. In the case I'm presenting for the FB and all other magical items, the effect would first be added at the beginning of either the game, round, phase, or second, reduced to WS1 by a the failed fearcheck and then the weapon would once again alter the WS by applying it's own effect over the fear effect. If this is the case (emphasis on the IF), the FB is operating under the normal rule of adjusting stats and just as you pointed out, can be done.
Furtermore, the fear rule in the BSB says nothing about fear being able to cancel out magical effects that would take effect before the fear has run out. This, I think, is something that even Fvon agreed with. If the FB works in the way I described then we are still operating in the realm of the rules telling us what is allowed, which is, a stat can be altered.
Btw, isn't the Crimson death a 7th ed item?
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Post by anechrome on Feb 11, 2021 18:59:30 GMT
Disco - that's almost the exact opposite of what I'm trying to say. But I sort of think you know that, right?
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Post by anechrome on Feb 11, 2021 21:08:30 GMT
Heh, nevermind guys, I actually found the answer to my own question. Thx for all the input!
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Post by vulcan on Feb 13, 2021 3:49:49 GMT
Sorry Vulcan, I should have replied to this sooner. In the case of the crimson death the effect of S6 is added at the beginning of the game and cannot be altered. It is therefore in this case irrelevant if the effect is either continual or applied continously. It cannot be altered either way no matter what. In the case I'm presenting for the FB and all other magical items, the effect would first be added at the beginning of either the game, round, phase, or second, reduced to WS1 by a the failed fearcheck and then the weapon would once again alter the WS by applying it's own effect over the fear effect. If this is the case (emphasis on the IF), the FB is operating under the normal rule of adjusting stats and just as you pointed out, can be done. Furtermore, the fear rule in the BSB says nothing about fear being able to cancel out magical effects that would take effect before the fear has run out. This, I think, is something that even Fvon agreed with. If the FB works in the way I described then we are still operating in the realm of the rules telling us what is allowed, which is, a stat can be altered. Btw, isn't the Crimson death a 7th ed item? Yeah, the Crimson Death is from earlier editions. But it's a great example for what I'm trying to demonstrate. Not only can it not be reduced in strength, it can't be RAISED in strength either. In theory Fencer's Blades could benefit from buffs, although it's unlikely to ever come up. I still don't think you're getting what I'm saying. The Warhammer rules tell you what you can do. If it doesn't say you CAN do it, you CANNOT do it. Fencer's Blades does NOT say you can ignore Fear, therefore you cannot ignore Fear. It really is that simple. |
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Post by anechrome on Feb 18, 2021 11:24:54 GMT
I get what you're saying, but the rules doesn't say that fear can override or ignore a magic effect that is applied after the fear effect either, and therefor it cannot.
It is however not an issue anymore since I found a reference. Magical effects from items are only applied at the beginning of the game or when they are picked up. So unless someone finds a way to pick up a magic item between the time the fear is being applied and when they try to strike their opponent, the question is moot.
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