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Post by jamesacon on Aug 5, 2021 10:57:02 GMT
Hey all, I have been putting together a spider themed army for O&G. I have been trying to acquire things for it over the years and now I am trying to decide on a few things before I build the models. So would like to hear everyone's thoughts on the list ideas. Thanks in advance  LordsGoblin great shaman -Arachnarok spider -Level 3 -Dispell scroll -Talisman of Preservation HeroesGoblin big boss -BSB -Gigantic spider -Light armour -Spear and shield -Spider banner Savage orc warboss -Great weapon Savage orc shaman -level 2 -lucky shrunken head Snagla Grobspit CoreDeff creepers (spider riders) x 9 -musician Forest goblin spider riders x 10 -musician Savage orc big uns x 30 -AHW -standard -musician RareArachnarok spider -Flinga This takes me to 1996 points. Now the idea is to put the goblin bsb in with the savage orcs to give them poisoned attacks and boost with the spider spell from the goblin shaman. I threw in the SO big boss for accepting challenges. The theme in my head is that the savage orcs live in the forest and worship the spider God. Not sure how competitive this would be as I know there is a lot of eggs in one basket. But I only play my mate who is pretty relaxed so should be fine. I have a thought that maybe I should put bows on the savage orcs to take advantage of the poison banner. Was going to run the savage orcs 6 wide. Im hoping the flinga can work out and make an enemy strike last with my savage orcs. Let me know your thoughts! |
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Post by Sweet_Totally on Aug 5, 2021 14:06:59 GMT
I'm far from well read on OnG but I think the Savage Orcs would be best fielded as a horde to get as many attacks out of the unit as possible. With the shrunken head and their dmg output they should be able to trounce whatever benefit they'd get from having more ranks by causing more kills than the opponent.
Seeing as the Savage Orc Warboss would be your general I'd give him some good magic armour for added protection and maybe throw in the Obsidian Trinket just for the sake of giving the Savage Orcs a great wardsave against magic missiles.
I really dig the spider theme that you're going for. Do you have any fun thematic conversions for the Savage Orcs?
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Post by jamesacon on Aug 7, 2021 0:56:50 GMT
Hey, Thanks for the reply! I was thinking of having ranks instead of hordes for the savage orcs because they will act as my anchor force. Need something to hold the middle while the spiders are on the flanks doing their thing. I was contemplating making the goblin shaman the general, so the SO boss is just for character protection for BSB and SO shaman. You bring up a good point about the Obsidian trinket!
As for conversion ideas, I am trying to figure out a way to get SO spider riders to count as boar riders. Hoping they can just stand on top of the spiders and not look too funky, will match the reckless behaviour.
What are your thoughts on some bows for the SO to get the most out of the poison banner and spell combo?
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Post by pinge on Aug 7, 2021 14:51:03 GMT
Can a Goblin join a unit of Orcs?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 7, 2021 16:48:57 GMT
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Post by pinge on Aug 8, 2021 4:34:19 GMT
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Post by Sweet_Totally on Aug 8, 2021 14:29:46 GMT
Hey, Thanks for the reply! I was thinking of having ranks instead of hordes for the savage orcs because they will act as my anchor force. Need something to hold the middle while the spiders are on the flanks doing their thing. I was contemplating making the goblin shaman the general, so the SO boss is just for character protection for BSB and SO shaman. You bring up a good point about the Obsidian trinket! As for conversion ideas, I am trying to figure out a way to get SO spider riders to count as boar riders. Hoping they can just stand on top of the spiders and not look too funky, will match the reckless behaviour. What are your thoughts on some bows for the SO to get the most out of the poison banner and spell combo? If it's an anvil you want they you might be better off with one or two cheap units of goblins with shields. As I understand it (which again, should be taken with a grain of salt) SO are more of a battering ram of a unit mean to tear through whatever gets in its way. It's also worth bearing in mind that you'd still get a couple of rank bonuses with them in horde formation and more attacks at the cost of a larger and not as easily manouverable basesize for the unit. That being said I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't try out SO as an anchor if that's what you want. With a 5+ wardsave and t4 they will be quite sturdy and with one hell of punch. Your general is whatever (non-BSB) character with the highests leadership so if you take the SO boss he will become it. Savage boar riders but with spiders instead of piggies sounds like a marvellous idea! I've no personal experience with the spider rider's spiders but looking at some images of them they seem to be big enough to fit a Savage Orc Boar Boyz (or just regular a savage orc) on their back somehow. I'm personally not a fan of arming the SO with bows for poisoned attacks at a distance. If that's the route you wanna take it seems to me to be better to go with a ridiculously huge goblin archer unit. I'd just stick with SO with poisoned blades for that extra chopping power. |
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Post by sedge on Aug 9, 2021 9:07:41 GMT
Hey, Thanks for the reply! I was thinking of having ranks instead of hordes for the savage orcs because they will act as my anchor force. Need something to hold the middle while the spiders are on the flanks doing their thing. Your Savage Orcs are the big damage dealers in this army - Spider Riders are great fun but they are light cavalry, and won't be chewing through any big units. Also, Frenzy means that a Savage Orc unit you want to anchor the middle can end up running off sideways thanks to overrun. They're great fun, and very dangerous, but not a particularly reliable unit. As for conversion ideas, I am trying to figure out a way to get SO spider riders to count as boar riders. Hoping they can just stand on top of the spiders and not look too funky, will match the reckless behaviour. It's your army, so obviously do as you think best -- but I think they would look quite strange. Savage Orcs are big models, and it'll look like they're stomping up and down on the spiders' heads - they're too big for the mounts. Boars do live in forests, and with their bones and crude gear, Savage Orcs fit actually fit in quite well in a "forest" looking army. That's actually what my O&G army originally started off themed as. You could try painting spider-web tattoos/warpaint on them, to help fit in, or maybe stick some spare feathers on the models. In the event you want to use infantry goblins in your list, these Shieldwolf Forest Goblins are perfect for the job: www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/forest-goblin-infantry-hard-plastic.html |
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Post by jamesacon on Aug 9, 2021 9:42:34 GMT
Thanks again for the feedback everyone. For some reason in my head I thought the leadership of the SO boss was the same as the Great goblin shaman. So back to the drawing board.
Sedge: I have stayed away from the goblins because I couldn't get them anymore, but the link you shared is awesome! I may just grab some, so thanks for that! I haven't looked yet to see how the SO would look on the spiders, but if they indeed look too silly, then boars it is. Valid point about frenzy, even with the BSB re roll there is potential to be drawn out. I would know, I play WoC khorne army! haha
Any thoughts on snagla? I like the idea of ambushing spiders, but its unreliable and I might be better off spending the points elsewhere.
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Post by KevinC on Aug 10, 2021 14:13:33 GMT
Cool list. I would deploy the savage orcs in a horde formation so they all can attack and put the BSB on the gigantic spider on the end of the unit...so they become 12 wide. Since the BSB is on a 50x50 mm he’s two orcs deep and so it’s legal. This will help protect him because when you maximize your charge you will likely be able to keep the BSB out of combat. He can make way in you want him to engage. I prefer giving the Spider Riders short bows, they become more versatile. You have a savage orc warboss under heroes, is that a big boss? You’re right about getting a general with LD 8. I’d drop the big boss and the shaman and take a savage orc great shaman with the shrunken head. He can be the general with LD8 and you'ii get more Big Waaagh spells. Snagla is extremely useful, I’d take him. I recently played a tournament with a spider list, I managed to come in 3rd place and best sportsman. No special characters allowed so I couldn’t take Snagla. Here’s my army (white spider is not finished):     |
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Post by pinge on Aug 11, 2021 14:03:02 GMT
Thanks again for the feedback everyone. For some reason in my head I thought the leadership of the SO boss was the same as the Great goblin shaman. So back to the drawing board. Sedge: I have stayed away from the goblins because I couldn't get them anymore, but the link you shared is awesome! I may just grab some, so thanks for that! I haven't looked yet to see how the SO would look on the spiders, but if they indeed look too silly, then boars it is. Valid point about frenzy, even with the BSB re roll there is potential to be drawn out. I would know, I play WoC khorne army! haha Any thoughts on snagla? I like the idea of ambushing spiders, but its unreliable and I might be better off spending the points elsewhere. I also have some 100 of those Shieldwolf goblins and they are great - only issue is that 2 or 3 of the models on the sprue already have the head attached so you could end up a bit monopose with them but I just snipped of some bits or made small alterations to them so that none looked completely identical. Ill see if I can get a photo up later in this thread if you would like to see my poor painting skills?  |
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Post by jamesacon on Aug 15, 2021 2:32:33 GMT
Cool list. I would deploy the savage orcs in a horde formation so they all can attack and put the BSB on the gigantic spider on the end of the unit...so they become 12 wide. Since the BSB is on a 50x50 mm he’s two orcs deep and so it’s legal. This will help protect him because when you maximize your charge you will likely be able to keep the BSB out of combat. He can make way in you want him to engage. I prefer giving the Spider Riders short bows, they become more versatile. You have a savage orc warboss under heroes, is that a big boss? You’re right about getting a general with LD 8. I’d drop the big boss and the shaman and take a savage orc great shaman with the shrunken head. He can be the general with LD8 and you'ii get more Big Waaagh spells. Snagla is extremely useful, I’d take him. I recently played a tournament with a spider list, I managed to come in 3rd place and best sportsman. No special characters allowed so I couldn’t take Snagla. Here’s my army (white spider is not finished): Thanks for the advice! That army looks amazing and real fun to play. Pretty much what I envisioned for mine to look like. What are your tactics and how did you fare against certain armies? Should of mentioned there are short bows on the riders, and you are correct that the warboss should be a boss. I will drop him anyway because I want the goblin great shaman to be general to fit with the theme, and at 2k im maxed at Lord choices. |
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Post by oldmandan on Aug 15, 2021 9:52:40 GMT
I love themed lists, I think you're on to a winner with this savage orcs with poisoned attacks is nasty plus I think the little waaagh is a great lore especially once you start stealling the dispel dice an dthen casting another cheap spell. Nice one!
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Post by oldmandan on Aug 15, 2021 9:56:02 GMT
Also Sneaky stabbin on savage orcs, equals death.
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Post by oldmandan on Aug 20, 2021 19:52:56 GMT
Having just reviewed the lore of little waaagh having orcs with armour piercing poisoned attacks is a very serious threat. Minus 2 to anyone's armour save in 8th edition is a lethal proposition, even knights fail armour saves if you roll enough times.
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