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Post by TyrrenAzureblade on Aug 11, 2021 7:12:04 GMT
So in my last game against a Skaven list that included a Hell Pit Abomination, we couldn't figure out if a Hell Pit Abomination takes a Dangerous Terrain Test if its random move didn't result in a charge as it moved through dangerous terrain. We figured that the RAW means that since it's random movement forward isn't a march, charge, flee, overrun, or pursuit move, that it was fine. This sounds right, but just wanted to make sure.
And follow up question, when shooting ballistic skill attacks at a unit of 30 infantry (Stormvermin) with three characters in it (Warlord on Rat Ogre Bonebreaker, Queek, BSB), at what point do you start randomizing shooting between the rank and file and the characters? And with that many characters how do you randomize between all four and whatever infantry is left?
Thanks in advance for any clarification and answers!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 11, 2021 7:33:26 GMT
BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.9:
Q: Does a Random Move count as a ‘normal’ move for triggering a Dangerous Terrain test? (p74)
A: Yes, unless the model is making a charge, pursuit or flee move, in which case it counts as a move of the appropriate type.
BRB p. 99: "'Normal' shooting attacks — by which we mean to say shooting attacks that use the firer's Ballistic Skill — cannot hit a character in a combined unit if there are five or more rank and file models from the same troop type (including musician and standard bearer, but not the champion) left in the unit. We assume that the enemy cannot pick the character out. All hits are allocated onto the unit's rank and file models.
If there are fewer than five rank-and-file models left in the unit (or the character is of a different troop type) there is a chance that any characters in the unit could be hit — the controlling player decides who is hit, but must allocate one hit on each model before he can add a second hit on a model; he must allocate two hits on each model before he can allocate a third, and so on" [FvS: "controlling player" means the player in control of the unit].
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Post by vulcan on Aug 12, 2021 6:03:57 GMT
BRB Official Update Version 1.9, p.9: Q: Does a Random Move count as a ‘normal’ move for triggering a Dangerous Terrain test? (p74) A: Yes, unless the model is making a charge, pursuit or flee move, in which case it counts as a move of the appropriate type. BRB p. 99: "'Normal' shooting attacks — by which we mean to say shooting attacks that use the firer's Ballistic Skill — cannot hit a character in a combined unit if there are five or more rank and file models from the same troop type (including musician and standard bearer, but not the champion) left in the unit. We assume that the enemy cannot pick the character out. All hits are allocated onto the unit's rank and file models. If there are fewer than five rank-and-file models left in the unit (or the character is of a different troop type) there is a chance that any characters in the unit could be hit — the controlling player decides who is hit, but must allocate one hit on each model before he can add a second hit on a model; he must allocate two hits on each model before he can allocate a third, and so on" [FvS: "controlling player" means the player in control of the unit]. Worth noting that the Bonebreaker is not infantry, but monstrous cavalry. Not sure how that affects things offhand, my rulebook is in storage and having MC characters in infantry didn't come up all that much. |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 12, 2021 7:44:01 GMT
That falls under "character of a different troop type" in the quote above. So, the controlling player can allocate the hits between R&F models and the War Chief on Bonebreaker (the champion or the other characters still cannot be targeted, at least as long as there are still 5 R&F models left). That can work to your advantage, as you can divert one hit away from a R&F model that would in all probability have killed it, but not the War Chief.
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