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Post by leybold on Aug 28, 2021 6:10:57 GMT
Hi all been lurking on here for a while but never posted (hope the format of my list is ok).
So anyway me and some buddies are getting together soon for the first time in over a year and are gunna run a small tourney between ourselves nothing too serious just beer and wargames and I thought a Khorne themed list would be a blast.
So please critique my list be as brutal as you wish I haven't played fantasy since the endtimes so I'm sure I'm making a few mistakes.
All comment and criticisms welcome.
+ Lords +
Daemon Prince [295pts]:
Daemon of Khorne, Daemonic Flight
Daemon Prince [295pts]:
Daemon of Khorne, Daemonic Flight
Daemon Prince [295pts]:
Daemon of Khorne, Daemonic Flight
+ Heroes +
Herald of Khorne [235pts]:
Battle Standard Bearer, Greater Locus of Fury
. Juggernaut of Khorne
+ Core +
Bloodletters of Khorne [605pts]:
40x Bloodletter of Khorne
. Champion
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness
+ Special +
Bloodcrushers of Khorne [235pts]:
3x Bloodcrusher of Khorne
. Champion
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Eternal Flame
Flesh Hounds of Khorne [165pts]
. 5x Flesh Hound of Khorne: 5x Ambushers
+ Rare +
Skull Cannon of Khorne [135pts]
Skull Cannon of Khorne [135pts]
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Post by knoffles on Aug 28, 2021 16:41:11 GMT
I’m going to apologise as Daemons are my one weak spot and I can add almost nothing to feedback on them! If it were a warriors list and I saw 3 princes, I’d be running for the hills 😂
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Post by leybold on Aug 30, 2021 11:23:42 GMT
haha looks like I'm on the right track then, how do you think it would fair against my opponents, confirmed armies coming are Ogres, Vampires, Warriors and legion of chaos beast men is there anything in particular I need to watch out for.
Thank you in advance.
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Post by jukei on Aug 30, 2021 11:58:27 GMT
I like your list but I would consider the following changes
Daemon Prince [315pts]
Selections: Chaos armour [20pts], Daemon of Khorne [5pts], Daemonic Flight [40pts]
He will be your general and a chaos Armour it s important.
Daemon Prince [255pts]
Selections: Daemon of Khorne [5pts]
Daemon Prince [255pts]
Selections: Daemon of Khorne [5pts]
I tried to save points here 80 points less if you drop the "wings" and you can invest points somewhere else. Btw they have already good movement.
Heroes [360pts]
Herald of Khorne [210pts]
Selections: Greater Locus of Fury [60pts]
Juggernaut of Khorne [50pts]
Selections: Juggernaut of Khorne
Bsb IMHO is not needed. Other points saved for something else.
Herald of Khorne [150pts]
Juggernaut of Khorne [50pts]
He will add an additional punch to your unit. He will also have additional attacks coming from the loci.
Core [605pts]
Bloodletters of Khorne [605pts]
Selections: 40x Bloodletter of Khorne [560pts]
Champion [10pts]
Musician [10pts]
Standard Bearer [25pts]
Selections: BRB - Banner of Swiftness [15pts]
Special [475pts]
Bloodcrushers of Khorne [355pts]
Selections: 5x Bloodcrusher of Khorne [325pts], Champion [10pts], Juggernaut of Khorne, Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
.... I believe they can do well with 2 heralds in. They have the right numbers the right boost from heralds and loci to be a scary unit to front.
Categories: Special
Chaos Furies [60pts]
Selections: 5x Chaos Fury [60pts]
Categories: Special
Chaos Furies [60pts]
Selections: 5x Chaos Fury [60pts
You need chaff to Mitigate the fury of your cavalry.
But not oy for this.
It s an additional drop in deployment phase... Can delay something.. Can hunt wm.
Rare [135pts]
Skull Cannon of Khorne [135pts]
probably you also need the banner of flame. I think on the bloodcrusher can work fine. You should just drop musician maybe and add the banner. Or drop wings on the general and free 40 points
For flame banner and a 25 points gift. up to you. I hope it helped
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Post by TheRealGIB on Aug 30, 2021 16:40:18 GMT
I am assuming you are using the end Times 50% lords limit, cause oh my demon princes. I think that the suggestions made by Jukei are pretty good, but I would want to try to find a way to keep the second skull cannon, if only for counter battery fire. With so many points tied up in your demon princes, you will need to mitigate the threats to them quickly, either by getting them stuck in combat o shooting the other cannons off the field.
I would drop the third demon prince, and use the points to kit out the first two and add in the extra crushers suggested by Jukei. Overall, I think you will do pretty well into the armies you mentioned up top, but some of the harder lists in those factions might give you trouble. Without access to magic and a whole lot of shooting, you are running pretty one dimensional, but that is to be expected in a Khorne list.
Please let us know how the tournament goes, and I hope you find some use for the advice!
V/R,
The Real GIB
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Post by leybold on Aug 30, 2021 16:57:55 GMT
Thanks for the advice guys I'll make some alterations after work tonight and post an updated list tomorrow, this might be a stupid questing but how would you go about ranking up the juggernauts with the heralds, 4x2 with a herald in the second rank?
Thank you in advance I will let you know after the tournament its not till October anyway got to get the tables set up at mine and get the list built.
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Post by strutsagget on Aug 30, 2021 18:12:49 GMT
I think I would run two separate units with only one row 4 wide of juggernauts as they can only attack with front row. As they are cavalry only the rider/knight attacks in second row. And as it’s the juggernaut that’s is the good part  But I am not a deamon player so I might miss something here. |
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Post by jukei on Aug 30, 2021 18:52:01 GMT
All is about the locus of fury. If you you split the unit you are wasting a bit its potential. The idea behind the big unit is deploying it with a front of 4. (2 herald+champion + standard) second rank.. the left 3.
If we play locus of fury we must maximize its effect. In the front we will pack 8 attacks ws7 at strength 5 or 6 from the heralds + 3 attacks from the champion +2 from standard bearer + 16 attacks from the mounts at strength 5.second rank will provide only 6 attacks from the riders. Btw in case there are casualties before the melee we will lose maybe 1 or 2 but still keep all the front rank intact and we will hit hard.
If you want instead to split the unit.. (viable idea) I would suggest to drop the locus.
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Post by TheRealGIB on Aug 30, 2021 18:57:04 GMT
Jukei has it right, that Locus is too good to drop off the crushers. Also, with the larger unit you have a second heavy combat capable block to compliment the bloodletters. Those two combined with the flying princes running around should be enough to beat through most units.
V/R,
The Real GIB
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Post by leybold on Aug 30, 2021 22:00:43 GMT
Okay so after taking your advices and a bit of thought this is where I've arrived atm. Thought process below each entry.
+ Lords +
Daemon Prince [340pts]:
Chaos armour, Daemon of Khorne, Daemonic Flight, Lesser Gifts
Daemon Prince [340pts]:
Chaos armour, Daemon of Khorne, Daemonic Flight, Lesser Gifts
So opted to drop a prince to make way for an additional cannon but kept wings on both princes because if memory serves I can charge over units and terrain so gives me a bit of leeway when using them(may be very wrong on this) and lesser gifts for the chance for asf on both if not I'm thinking swap for swift Slaying and sword of striking
+ Heroes +
Herald of Khorne [210pts]:
Greater Locus of Fury
. Juggernaut of Khorne
Herald of Khorne [150pts]
. Juggernaut of Khorne
Never thought of taking 2 jugg heralds and ashamed I never considered because now I've read it I love this idea.
+ Core +
Bloodletters of Khorne [605pts]:
40x Bloodletter of Khorne
. Champion
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness
Not much to be said here big meaty block if I'm smart and careful should work wonders
+ Special +
Bloodcrushers of Khorne [365pts]:
5x Bloodcrusher of Khorne
. Champion
. Musician
. Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Eternal Flame
Looking forward to trying this a big hammer in a box of hammers, flaming to deal with troublesome regen, memory serves that the flaming would only affect the mount however could someone clarify this please been a while.
Chaos Furies [60pts]: 5x Chaos Fury
Chaos Furies [60pts]: 5x Chaos Fury
Following Jukei's advice, many uses here.
+ Rare +
Skull Cannon of Khorne [135pts]
Skull Cannon of Khorne [135pts]
As stated being Khorne I will be relying on getting smart combats and fast And 2 cannons should either deal with key targets, monsters characters or thin a few units or at least draw fire from the combat block and with a bit of luck do both.
Sorry for the long post but please let me know your thoughts and thank you in advance. It's been so long since I delved into the old world can't wait to get back to it.
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Post by jukei on Aug 31, 2021 9:49:59 GMT
The idea behind 3 or 4 daemon princes is target saturation. I kept them cheap because I want to give up the minimum points in case they die under enemy fire.
If you go for 2 daemon princes and you invest so many points in them I would consider then to go for 2 blood thirsters. 400 x 2 points.( You can drop the second herald or a cannon.) They are nasty and strong. Look at their stats and you will see.
Regarding the model I use also daemon prince instead of the very expensive new bt model. The old base of a blood thirster was 50 x 50 like a daemon prince. So If in your group is not a problem you can easily play prince as thirster.
Just my 2cent mate.
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Post by jukei on Aug 31, 2021 13:56:46 GMT
In case you can play Daemon Princes as Bloodthirsters I would consider my ..."bloody" list :-)))
The idea comes from the fact I don't like cannons honestly and I think a completely fighty list is fitting much more better the Khorne theme.
++ Standard (Daemons of Chaos - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.0.) [2,400pts] ++
+ Lords +
Bloodthirster [400pts]
Bloodthirster [400pts]
Bloodthirster [400pts]
+ Heroes +
Herald of Khorne [235pts]: Greater Locus of Fury, Lesser Gifts
Juggernaut of Khorne: Juggernaut of Khorne
+ Core +
Bloodletters of Khorne [605pts]: 40x Bloodletter of Khorne
Champion
Musician
Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Swiftness
+ Special +
Bloodcrushers of Khorne [300pts]: 4x Bloodcrusher of Khorne, Juggernaut of Khorne
Champion
Musician
Standard Bearer: BRB - Banner of Eternal Flame
Chaos Furies [60pts]: 5x Chaos Fury
This list is very solid.
I believe it's the best we can deploy and it's very very aggressive.
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Post by leybold on Aug 31, 2021 14:18:29 GMT
I see where your coming from with the cannons and I agree it doesn't relay feel in keeping with the theme but I was worried about not dealing with certain targets with not having any magic and or shooting but I suppose it is Khornes way as long as the blood flows. Its funny you should mention bloodthirsters because I forgot they were originally on the smaller base that's why I never thought to use them and seeing as im using some 3rd party daemon princes and one of my own 3d printed ones I didn't want to push my luck too much with proxying but after speaking to some friends they are happy for me to use the 50x50mm so I wont need any other models, I'm might be able to have a practice game this weekend against the ogre player so ill give your bloodthirster list a whirl and see how it feels and go from there.
Thank you for taking for taking your time too give me so much advice its got me really pumped to start playing fantasy again.
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Post by jukei on Aug 31, 2021 14:29:09 GMT
I see where your coming from with the cannons and I agree it doesn't relay feel in keeping with the theme but I was worried about not dealing with certain targets with not having any magic and or shooting but I suppose it is Khornes way as long as the blood flows. Its funny you should mention bloodthirsters because I forgot they were originally on the smaller base that's why I never thought to use them and seeing as im using some 3rd party daemon princes and one of my own 3d printed ones I didn't want to push my luck too much with proxying but after speaking to some friends they are happy for me to use the 50x50mm so I wont need any other models, I'm might be able to have a practice game this weekend against the ogre player so ill give your bloodthirster list a whirl and see how it feels and go from there. Thank you for taking for taking your time too give me so much advice its got me really pumped to start playing fantasy again. I am glad you find my advices useful :-) I am looking forward reading your Battlereport . Let me know ! |
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