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Post by Golgfag on Oct 22, 2021 16:27:08 GMT
I would hate it if guess ranges and no pre measuring made a return, my group always ignore that when playing any modern games who still have that out dated mechanic.
The only way I would accept it is if everytime our generals are in combat we also have to use practice blades to fight a mock duel in real life to determine the winner or get the archery butt out to determine if our professional soldiers are capable of hitting anything from range.
They can find a superior mechanic to balance war machines.
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Post by mottdon on Oct 22, 2021 23:38:34 GMT
I would hate it if guess ranges and no pre measuring made a return, my group always ignore that when playing any modern games who still have that out dated mechanic. The only way I would accept it is if everytime our generals are in combat we also have to use practice blades to fight a mock duel in real life to determine the winner or get the archery butt out to determine if our professional soldiers are capable of hitting anything from range. They can find a superior mechanic to balance war machines. ^This. I'd hate for premeasuring to return as well. Seems silly to me to make an already complicated and slow game, even more so, by creating more uncertainty. Plus, some people are good a estimating ranges and spacial distances, while other are just lost. Not really fair to those "unblessed" folk. |
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Post by adso13 on Oct 23, 2021 15:12:56 GMT
I totally agree with keeping premeasuring. Yeah, I'm not a god, but I'm also trying to have fun and the learning curve on that aspect of the game is way too high. Also, there are just some people who can't really do spatial relations well. I've got a buddy going blind in one eye. Should he be punished for that? "Sorry, I know that your disability gives me a HUGE advantage, buuuuut, yeah, you gotta guess that." And, truth be told, more often than not, the better general will win a game regardless of how poorly they roll charges. The player that loses the advantage of being able to premeasure doesn't lose as much in their ability to win the game as people who can't eyeball ranges gain in their ability to win the game. (If that makes sense...)
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Post by KevinC on Oct 23, 2021 15:32:41 GMT
Dwarf, Orc and Elf? Nope! Now it is Dwarf(s), Orcs and Elf. Ha ha! Looks like the board admins have a script to automatically "translate" the new dumb names I'm complaining about. --------Correct! Those other names are forbidden here. |
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Post by KevinC on Oct 23, 2021 15:36:37 GMT
I totally agree with keeping premeasuring. Yeah, I'm not a god, but I'm also trying to have fun and the learning curve on that aspect of the game is way too high. Also, there are just some people who can't really do spatial relations well. I've got a buddy going blind in one eye. Should he be punished for that? "Sorry, I know that your disability gives me a HUGE advantage, buuuuut, yeah, you gotta guess that." And, truth be told, more often than not, the better general will win a game regardless of how poorly they roll charges. The player that loses the advantage of being able to premeasure doesn't lose as much in their ability to win the game as people who can't eyeball ranges gain in their ability to win the game. (If that makes sense...) ---------Agreed! Though I loved guess range weapons back in the day, the 8th edition fix is more balanced and the ability to measure at any time is a big deal - makes the game more enjoyable and it eliminates 75% of arguments during the game. |
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Post by thegoat on Oct 23, 2021 16:10:47 GMT
I totally agree with keeping premeasuring. Yeah, I'm not a god, but I'm also trying to have fun and the learning curve on that aspect of the game is way too high. Also, there are just some people who can't really do spatial relations well. I've got a buddy going blind in one eye. Should he be punished for that? "Sorry, I know that your disability gives me a HUGE advantage, buuuuut, yeah, you gotta guess that." And, truth be told, more often than not, the better general will win a game regardless of how poorly they roll charges. The player that loses the advantage of being able to premeasure doesn't lose as much in their ability to win the game as people who can't eyeball ranges gain in their ability to win the game. (If that makes sense...) ---------Agreed! Though I loved guess range weapons back in the day, the 8th edition fix is more balanced and the ability to measure at any time is a big deal - makes the game more enjoyable and it eliminates 75% of arguments during the game. At the time I didn't like the switch to premeasuring. Mostly because I was unbelievably good at guessing ranges. Back in 4th and 5th edition, I would guess to the quarter inch and often the stone thrower blast marker would land exactly on the target's head. Well it was square on the target up until I had to rolling those dammed scatter and artillery dice! In retrospect premeasuring greatly accelerated the game and removed a lot of hurt feelings (and arguments as KevinC says). It is a better game with premeasuring. |
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Post by dweurgrrr on Dec 7, 2021 14:45:27 GMT
----------I think they may sell the Cathay book, even if it's just a PDF. They have nothing to lose - they could do a small print run and I'm sure it would instantly sell out. Hopefully it wouldn't be another one of those "sold out in 10 minutes" fiascos. It really shouldn't. I worked for a book publisher and printer in college, and printing more books in general is extremely easy. It can take time to slot it in the print and binding schedule, but otherwise there is no reason a book should ever be hard to get. Its false scarcity. |
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Post by dweurgrrr on Dec 7, 2021 14:57:13 GMT
I would hate it if guess ranges and no pre measuring made a return, my group always ignore that when playing any modern games who still have that out dated mechanic. The only way I would accept it is if everytime our generals are in combat we also have to use practice blades to fight a mock duel in real life to determine the winner or get the archery butt out to determine if our professional soldiers are capable of hitting anything from range. They can find a superior mechanic to balance war machines. ^This. I'd hate for premeasuring to return as well. Seems silly to me to make an already complicated and slow game, even more so, by creating more uncertainty. Plus, some people are good a estimating ranges and spacial distances, while other are just lost. Not really fair to those "unblessed" folk. I like guessing ranges, but it makes it really hard for people with eye problems. Like, I have a good friend who has no depth perception, or very little. He has to wear special contacts that basically create depth. When we play games with no pre-measuring, we have to house rule it because it's impossible for him. Also, red-green color blind people would have a terrible time judging distance on our usually green felt fantasy boards. |
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