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Post by KevinC on Feb 20, 2022 14:28:00 GMT
----------GW actually wrote a Grand Cathay book for 8th edition. I was hoping they might release that as a teaser for total war / preview of things to come. If anyone reading this has a copy, I'd pay a large sum of money for it, PM me. Thanks. So maybe I am just bad at english but from that interview I never heard it as that. From what I got out of if and my interpretation was that when they kicked off the Old World and total war 3 they made an new army book for cathey based of 8ed as a starting point. And they never said anything about the condition of the “book”. It might as well be printed word document. Still awesome and of course something needed at EEFL. 😛 The person doing the interview never did any good follow up question when he found out there was a book in front of the designer. There’s another topic somewhere on the forum. One of the total war designers had a physical copy of the 8th edition Cathay book. Their process is to create an army by going through the army books, so GW wrote an 8th edition army book for total war. This is factual information. |
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Post by KevinC on Feb 20, 2022 14:31:41 GMT
So maybe I am just bad at english but from that interview I never heard it as that. From what I got out of if and my interpretation was that when they kicked off the Old World and total war 3 they made an new army book for cathey based of 8ed as a starting point. And they never said anything about the condition of the “book”. It might as well be printed word document. Still awesome and of course something needed at EEFL. 😛 The person doing the interview never did any good follow up question when he found out there was a book in front of the designer. I agree, I assume the Cathay "book" is not a retail ready physical product. Likely much closer to a word document, like you say. I'd still like to read it. Though I'm not offering a large sum of money like KevinC.  No GW did their full army book design process for Cathay. Meaning they did artwork etc …they did a full book. |
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Post by thegoat on Feb 20, 2022 14:58:58 GMT
I agree, I assume the Cathay "book" is not a retail ready physical product. Likely much closer to a word document, like you say. I'd still like to read it. Though I'm not offering a large sum of money like KevinC.  No GW did their full army book design process for Cathay. Meaning they did artwork etc …they did a full book. You think the Cathay book is complete with final page layouts? I sincerely doubt it. Why would they spend the money to make a polished retail ready product they knew they would never sell? |
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Post by vulcan on Feb 21, 2022 6:22:22 GMT
No GW did their full army book design process for Cathay. Meaning they did artwork etc …they did a full book. You think the Cathay book is complete with final page layouts? I sincerely doubt it. Why would they spend the money to make a polished retail ready product they knew they would never sell? Who said they're never going to sell it? They may well just be holding on to it until Old World releases. |
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Post by thegoat on Feb 21, 2022 12:11:44 GMT
You think the Cathay book is complete with final page layouts? I sincerely doubt it. Why would they spend the money to make a polished retail ready product they knew they would never sell? Who said they're never going to sell it? They may well just be holding on to it until Old World releases. The interviewee said the Cathay book was written for 8th edition, because that is what they use as the basis of the Total War Warhammer games. If the Cathay book was for the Old World, wouldn't they have said so? |
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Post by sedge on Feb 21, 2022 13:42:14 GMT
I imagine they'll recycle most that army book content anyway for TOW's Cathay book. The timeline would need some tweaks, as TOW is set a few hundred years earlier, but the other fluff, artwork and images are probably reusable.
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Post by thegoat on Feb 21, 2022 14:28:58 GMT
I imagine they'll recycle most that army book content anyway for TOW's Cathay book. The timeline would need some tweaks, as TOW is set a few hundred years earlier, but the other fluff, artwork and images are probably reusable. Yes, no doubt the 8th edition Cathay book it will be used as the basis of the Old World Cathay book. I think we are only debating how much GW polished the Cathay book before handing it to the Total War guys. Was it an minimally formatted document or was it a finished work with final page layouts ready for printing? Based on what I saw in the interview my money is on closer to the former. |
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Post by KevinC on Feb 21, 2022 17:31:05 GMT
No GW did their full army book design process for Cathay. Meaning they did artwork etc …they did a full book. You think the Cathay book is complete with final page layouts? I sincerely doubt it. Why would they spend the money to make a polished retail ready product they knew they would never sell? --------It's definitely a mock book. GW created source material to create Cathay in Total War. Watch the video interview it's explained. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Feb 23, 2022 9:30:01 GMT
A quick chat about Cathay (not even the entire nation)... and that's it from that Warhammer Community article.
I'm dreading the possibility that TOW will be as slow as Aeronautica Imperialis with regards to releases.
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Post by Buxe on Feb 23, 2022 15:06:40 GMT
No GW did their full army book design process for Cathay. Meaning they did artwork etc …they did a full book. You think the Cathay book is complete with final page layouts? I sincerely doubt it. Why would they spend the money to make a polished retail ready product they knew they would never sell? What if the differences between 8th edition and TOW will be so small, that all the 8th edition books will be compatible with TOW? Maybe just add an F&Q/errata for each book? Yes, there would be some discrepancies in the fluff-part (timline etc.), but it would be a working solution until they get around to update all the armies. In that case the 8th ed. Cathay armybook would just need some minor tweaks to be released for TOW. I cannot imagine GW releasing campaign books with a very limited number of armies, and then the player community will have to wait for X months for the next campaign book, and X months for the next etc. Imagine all the nerd-rage when people who have already been waiting for 7-8 years for "fantasy" to come back have to wait another, lets say, 6-12 months just because their army wasn't in the first (or even 2nd) campaign book while others are playing happily with their armies. To me it seems far more logical to activate the whole "old" and potential "new" playerbase upon release of TOW (by providing new rules for all factions or re-using old armybooks with errata), rather than tell someone he has to wait 1 or 2 years (or longer) before he can play his favourite army. The amount of nerd-rage would reach new levels. On the other hand I can imagine GW releasing campaign books without armylists like they have done before for WFB. |
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Post by thegoat on Feb 23, 2022 15:29:10 GMT
You think the Cathay book is complete with final page layouts? I sincerely doubt it. Why would they spend the money to make a polished retail ready product they knew they would never sell? What if the differences between 8th edition and TOW will be so small, that all the 8th edition books will be compatible with TOW? Maybe just add an F&Q/errata for each book? Yes, there would be some discrepancies in the fluff-part (timline etc.), but it would be a working solution until they get around to update all the armies. In that case the 8th ed. Cathay armybook would just need some minor tweaks to be released for TOW. What you describe is quite close to what I am expecting. I'm not sure why you are framing it as different from what I presented. I still doubt GW would have spent the time and money to do final page layouts for the 8th edition Cathay book. Since they know it will require revisions for The Old World, it is much more logical they would wait until that is complete before spending the effort and money to polish it for release. To be clear I think the 8th edition Cathay book is fully written, including rules, fluff, and artwork. They probably even have an 'Evey Metal painted army of the new models (under lock and key). I just don't think they made a final page by page full ready to print layout for the book. I cannot imagine GW releasing campaign books with a very limited number of armies, and then the player community will have to wait for X months for the next campaign book, and X months for the next etc. Imagine all the nerd-rage when people who have already been waiting for 7-8 years for "fantasy" to come back have to wait another, lets say, 6-12 months just because their army wasn't in the first (or even 2nd) campaign book while others are playing happily with their armies. To me it seems far more logical to activate the whole "old" and potential "new" playerbase upon release of TOW (by providing new rules for all factions or re-using old armybooks with errata), rather than tell someone he has to wait 1 or 2 years (or longer) before he can play his favourite army. The amount of nerd-rage would reach new levels. On the other hand I can imagine GW releasing campaign books without armylists like they have done before for WFB. Waiting years for an updated army book is par for the coarse and has been for thirty years. I'm currently waiting for the 9th edition 40K Imperial Guard Codex to be released. I don't think GW cares about nerd rage. |
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Post by Buxe on Feb 23, 2022 15:53:29 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the "8th Edition" Cathay book in reality is the TOW Cathay book and therefore ready. Probably the reason they said "8th Edition" Cathay armybook was because this was long before they revealed Catahy as a faction for TOW. And this information would confirm the compatibility of 8th ed. armybooks with TOW and therefore also the level of similarity between the two. This would probably be too much information at once and kill a lot of the suspense they create with dripping information.
Yes, waiting for an update has always been normal with GW. But you could almost always use the previous edition armybook in the current edition. With TOW this will not be possible unless the new game is so similar to 8th edition, that the 8th edition armybooks can be used (probably in combination with an errata) until they are all updated. If TOW is too different from 8th edition and they go for the campaign books with 2-3 armies included approach, there will be a lot of nerd-rage in the coming years until all armies have been covered. And probably many total war players will not start with miniatures at all, if they'll have to wait years for their favourite faction to be covered.
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Post by KevinC on Feb 24, 2022 14:10:19 GMT
You think the Cathay book is complete with final page layouts? I sincerely doubt it. Why would they spend the money to make a polished retail ready product they knew they would never sell? What if the differences between 8th edition and TOW will be so small, that all the 8th edition books will be compatible with TOW? Maybe just add an F&Q/errata for each book? Yes, there would be some discrepancies in the fluff-part (timline etc.), but it would be a working solution until they get around to update all the armies. In that case the 8th ed. Cathay armybook would just need some minor tweaks to be released for TOW. I cannot imagine GW releasing campaign books with a very limited number of armies, and then the player community will have to wait for X months for the next campaign book, and X months for the next etc. Imagine all the nerd-rage when people who have already been waiting for 7-8 years for "fantasy" to come back have to wait another, lets say, 6-12 months just because their army wasn't in the first (or even 2nd) campaign book while others are playing happily with their armies. To me it seems far more logical to activate the whole "old" and potential "new" playerbase upon release of TOW (by providing new rules for all factions or re-using old armybooks with errata), rather than tell someone he has to wait 1 or 2 years (or longer) before he can play his favourite army. The amount of nerd-rage would reach new levels. On the other hand I can imagine GW releasing campaign books without armylists like they have done before for WFB. Buxe, I hope you are correct. I'd really like to see the Old World to be 8th or tweaked 8th with all the supplements compatible. |
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Post by sedge on Apr 25, 2022 15:29:40 GMT
No news is news of a sort... this is the schedule for next month's Warhammer Fest new release previews: www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/25/warhammer-fest-returns-with-four-full-days-of-mind-blowing-reveals/ The headline release is the new Horus Heresy - they've been trailing some of that recently, including plastic marine squads, plastic marine characters, and plastic massive marine tanks. This is actually a promising sign for TOW, as the Horus Heresy is one of their specialist games, and if it's getting more and more plastic - which seems to be the way it's moving - then that would suggest that TOW will get a similar ratio of plastic to resin. The fact they're doing a massive tank (the Spartan - think a Land Raider on steroids) shows it's not just core troops they're doing in plastic. The downside is that it means it's highly unlikely we're seeing TOW this year. Maybe next? Kind of related, there have been more and more models moving into "range rotation", and not just ancient ones - we've seen some more current kits, including Underworlds kits from the last few years. Assuming they are being truthful that this stuff will be available again in the future - and I think they are, as that's how LoTR/Hobbit has been working for a while - then it increases my hope that they will reprint a lot of the old WFB kits when TOW comes out, as that's the approach GW is taking across its games. |
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Post by lordofskullpass on Apr 25, 2022 16:37:38 GMT
No news is news of a sort... this is the schedule for next month's Warhammer Fest new release previews: www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/25/warhammer-fest-returns-with-four-full-days-of-mind-blowing-reveals/The headline release is the new Horus Heresy - they've been trailing some of that recently, including plastic marine squads, plastic marine characters, and plastic massive marine tanks. This is actually a promising sign for TOW, as the Horus Heresy is one of their specialist games, and if it's getting more and more plastic - which seems to be the way it's moving - then that would suggest that TOW will get a similar ratio of plastic to resin. The fact they're doing a massive tank (the Spartan - think a Land Raider on steroids) shows it's not just core troops they're doing in plastic. That's why I've been showing as much interest as I have in this new Horus Heresy edition - the fact that they're making not just infantry but also unnamed characters and even tanks for the Horus Heresy in plastic really bodes well for TOW. Here's hoping that the only things that will be Forge World are the massive, de luxe named character models that I personally have no interest in anyway, and that everything else will be in plastic. I'd be very satisfied with that. The downside is that it means it's highly unlikely we're seeing TOW this year. Maybe next? From my calculations TOW won't be arriving until at least 2025 - GW won't be releasing it this year because of the new edition of the Horus Heresy obviously, and because for some stupid reason they've reduced the time period between new editions from 4 years (as per the Fantasy days) to 3 years it means we'll likely see 40K 10th Edition next year, and AoS 4th Edition the year after, making 2025 the first 'free year' that could be filled by the arrival of TOW. Kind of related, there have been more and more models moving into "range rotation", and not just ancient ones - we've seen some more current kits, including Underworlds kits from the last few years. Assuming they are being truthful that this stuff will be available again in the future - and I think they are, as that's how LoTR/Hobbit has been working for a while - then it increases my hope that they will reprint a lot of the old WFB kits when TOW comes out, as that's the approach GW is taking across its games. That is certainly something I've been hoping for for TOW, because GW deleted quite a lot of kits released in the 8th Edition era that would still fit well against their current standard were they to be re-released for TOW, e.g. the Necropolis Knights, Sphinx and Tomb Guard units for Tomb Kings and the White Lions and Dragon Princes for High Elves. I can imagine GW will still abandon some of the older kits, such as the Tomb King Skeleton Warriors, High Elf Spearmen and Archers and perhaps even the late 6th Edition Dwarf Warriors, Thunderers/Quarrellers and Cannon/Organ Gun sets, but hopefully they'll replace them with some updated kits that match the aesthetics and quality of the 8th Edition plastics (though given they're Core units, they'd better not price them in the same league as those Lumineth Spearmen and Archers, because TOW players will need more of them, especially if GW make the mistake of keeping the Horde rule). I personally am also interested to see if any models for the Leagues of Votann are teased next week, a couple of their banners are on display in the picture and bringing Squats back (reinvented to fit the new grimdark aesthetics) has been the best thing GW has done for 40K in recent times. |
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