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Post by noxea on Dec 1, 2021 16:42:48 GMT
I recently got into 8th ED and its tons of fun.  Here are my Rulesquestions (7th into 8th warrior book): If i roll a 2 on the Eye of the gods table by "buffing" a Unit with a warshrine, will that result be nullified when i buff the next time? The table states "til the end of the game", the shrine rules state "til it buffes the next time". Since the Shrine manipulates the rule anyway suggests to me it might go. 2 Being the only result on the table stating "end of the game" suggests it cant be nullified... Can the Warshrine buff itself? Wording is it can buff 12 inches around the unit. But does this include the Unit itself? Have fun on the tables and thank you in advance for your answers |
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Post by thegoat on Dec 1, 2021 19:20:32 GMT
A war shrine can only buff units with the "Eye of the Gods" special rule. The war shrine itself does not have that rule. So it cannot buff itself.
I'm not sure what you are asking about with the Eye of the Gods role of 2 stating "end of the game". I will note a chaos spawn does not have the "Eye of the Gods" rule either. So it cannot be buffed.
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Post by noxea on Dec 1, 2021 21:37:35 GMT
Your talking about the wrong book... I am talking about the previous book, which was released in 7th and was still valid at the start of 8th before the new book got released.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 1, 2021 21:56:52 GMT
If you are playing 8th, why not simply use the 8th edition AB? That said, under 7th edition AB rules, yes, the new roll would negate the previous effect. However, "a single friendly unit within 12" of the Warshrine" excludes the Warshrine itself.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 1, 2021 22:19:18 GMT
Your talking about the wrong book... I am talking about the previous book, which was released in 7th and was still valid at the start of 8th before the new book got released. Ah, got it. Not sure why you are asking about 7th edition rules on an 8th edition forum. |
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Post by noxea on Dec 2, 2021 23:12:04 GMT
Well you are confusing something. 8th Edition is not a "closed" thing. There is a timeline flowing through it with different books, mostly, 2 per army. So 8th edition is not a static thing. Only if you, what most people seem to think, especially beginners, see the edition from the very end and therefore exclude everything happening before.
But you can actually choose at which point in time you wanna play 8th and therefore, which army book. There are 8th edition upgrades to each 7th edition book before the 8th edition book got released.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 3, 2021 1:42:56 GMT
You are of coarse free to play the game however you like. But 7th, 6th, and previous edition army books are not truly legitimate in 8th edition. Yes, as a hold over, you are able to use army books from previous editions. But once the proper 8th edition army book is released for a faction, the old book is clearly not valid anymore.
I understand maybe choosing to play an older edition all together (ie. playing 6th edition WFB, with 6th edition main rule book and 6th edition army books). But why would you choose to play half way through 8th edition?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 3, 2021 9:23:37 GMT
What thegoat says. You can always deviate, but that requires the agreement of your opponent(s). As an Empire player, I would actually prefer to play 7th Empire AB upgraded to 8th BRB - it was the only time that the Empire came close to being a 1st tier army. |
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Post by noxea on Dec 4, 2021 10:11:32 GMT
You are both wrong. You might be right for sanctioned tournaments.... Do they even exist anymore? By playing "half way" you are doin something by the way, that was the norm for sanctioned tournaments for a certain time. By playing halfway 6th, 7th, 8th you truly experience what warhammer was like at those times, also for tournament players. With your "only at the end" view, you will put a strong limitation on your overall warhammer experience and will never really feel how the change through all editions took place.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 4, 2021 12:28:42 GMT
I started this game at the beginning of 4th edition. I've experienced the change through all editions you are referring to. The years spent suffering through the early part of a new edition, waiting for your updated army book to be released, is not something I look back on fondly.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 6, 2021 16:55:38 GMT
The default position is still that you play the last updated version of the BRB with the last updated version of the ABs. As both @the goat and I myself have pointed out, that does not preclude you from deviating (you could even choose which update version to apply), but it does require the consent of your opponent. That is just a matter of civility and fair play.
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Post by Horace on Dec 7, 2021 12:49:29 GMT
Indeed, I think most Daemon players would happily pick up their 7th edition army book again Because it was costed and written with 7th edition rules in mind. In 8th it was completely OP. |
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Post by NIGHTBRINGER on Dec 8, 2021 2:05:07 GMT
Indeed, I think most Daemon players would happily pick up their 7th edition army book again Because it was costed and written with 7th edition rules in mind. In 8th it was completely OP. If I remember correctly, it was completely OP in 7th edition as well! I think you're right that a fair number of DoC players might be interested in porting over that army book into 8th. |
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Post by thegoat on Dec 8, 2021 18:47:01 GMT
Indeed, I think most Daemon players would happily pick up their 7th edition army book again Because it was costed and written with 7th edition rules in mind. In 8th it was completely OP. If I remember correctly, it was completely OP in 7th edition as well! I think you're right that a fair number of DoC players might be interested in porting over that army book into 8th. Indeed, I actively used the 7th ed daemons book in the beginning of 8th edition. It was embarrassing how over powered my armies were. A hero level Herald of Khorne could slaughter lord level generals from other armies. Heralds of Tzeentch could get Loremaster for any of the main spell lores making them arguably more powerful than named character lord level wizards costing 3x the points. Daemonettes with Siren Standard controlling the opponent's charge reactions and Heralds of Slaanesh with Siren Song forcing opponent's units to declare charges were both devastating. Either one could single handedy win you the game if employed at a critical moment. |
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Here are my Rulesquestions (7th into 8th warrior book):
