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2500 Bretonnians Jan 19, 2022 14:31:32 GMT knoffles and jukei like this

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Post by DemolitionMan on Jan 19, 2022 14:31:32 GMT

After deciding to dust off the Bretonnians for teh first time in 5 years I had a highly hilarious 2000 point game last week against high elves (featuring a griffon vs hippogriff showdown, bolt throwers almost being pushed off the table by heavens magic, a brave-yet-foolish charge of 40 men at arms into 30 swordsmasters (it didn't end well, it's even more annoying because there's no peasants left to harvest the turnips) and all the combined wizards from both sides either blowing themselves up or melting all their wizard levels to 0 by turn 3) we've decided to up it to 2500 and go a little more traditional in selection this week.

This is the list I'm taking, lets see how we go in a more serious setting this weekend:

Lords: Lord, BBW, shield, lance, gromril great helm, crown of command, sword of might
Prophetess, level 4, BW, chalice of malfleur - Life

Heroes: Damsel, level 2, BW, dispel scroll - Beasts
Paladin BSB, BBW, enchanted shield, dawnstone, sword of striking
Paladin, questing vow, BBW, great weapon, dragonhelm, virtue of purity, potion of foolhardiness
Paladin, shield, BBW, Royal Pegasus, wyrmlance, potion of toughness

Core: 9 Knights of the Realm, full command, banner of chalons
10 Knights Errant, full command, errantry banner
6 Knights Errant (120 points left over as I thought it was 2400 we'd agreed when I first did the list)
10 archers, skirmish, musician
10 archers, skirmish, musician
10 archers
10 archers
10 archers
10 archers

Special: 3 Pegasus Knights
5 Questing Knights

Rare: Trebuchet
Trebuchet

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2500 Bretonnians Jan 24, 2022 9:22:12 GMT FvonSigmaringen and knoffles like this

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Post by DemolitionMan on Jan 24, 2022 9:22:12 GMT

For anyone who is interested, it ended as a major victory for the Brets.

The bad:
The trebuchets were absolutely worthless, one destroyed itself turn 1 and the other couldn't hit anything that wasn't open terrain all game.
The Peg knights resembled hedgehogs after the first High Elf shooting phase.
5 Questing knights just aren't enough, I'm thinking 10 are needed in 2x5 formation.

The good:
2 characters with 1+ re-rollable armour saves backed up by life magic was always going to be horrible for anyone to deal with, the lord and BSB carried the game almost single handed really. Their KOTR meatshields died rather quickly when facing a large block of LSG and dragon princes and swordsmasters in each flank- but stubborn LD9 with a re-roll allowed them to hold when it didn't go their way, and after removing the flanking dragon princes and swordsmasters the elf BSB and Nobles in the LSG were chopped up next, and then the large LSG unit they were sheltering in was whittled down until it ran away turn 5 and was wiped out.
longbows. against T3 low armour troops the humble longbow is actually pretty decent. if you bring 60 of them anyway lol.

The ugly:
Paladin on Pegasus only killed 4 archers with the wyrmlance, drank his potion of toughness to shrug off their arrows turn 2 and then heroically charged in and.....died. 12 high elf archers killed him in a single turn of combat.

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2500 Bretonnians Feb 7, 2022 7:23:42 GMT via mobile DemolitionMan likes this

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Post by knoffles on Feb 7, 2022 7:23:42 GMT

Ouch for the trebs! I still think they are a must take it a Bret list. How did you find the multiple units of archers? I faced something similar when using my woodies and that many shots was intimidating.

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2500 Bretonnians Feb 18, 2022 15:03:14 GMT knoffles likes this

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Post by DemolitionMan on Feb 18, 2022 15:03:14 GMT

I much prefer the multiple units of archers with musicians tbh, it's just more flexible - the larger units are unwieldy and you often have to compromise between a few shots without moving or the whole unit moving and taking the penalty to hit. When an enemy combat unit gets to your back lines for example you can swift reform 2 units that are near each other so they can only charge one of your (and if you're really lucky will be unable to reform after they've thrashed the first unit) It gets the second unit out of panic test range and gets you 1/2 more turns of shooting with one of the units.

They are easily chain panicked though if near each other, so deployment and movement is an art form- which was a lesson I learned early on lol as all the knights are halfway across the table so no Ld bonus or BSB re-rolls......
Would definitely recommend trying out MSU archers for a few games and seeing if it suits your playstyle.

The trebs have done sod all in the past 5 games. :-(. I feel like this is just balancing out the luck Jim Bowen has for my beastmen though, that cygor bullseyes everything he aims at so misfiring stone throwers for my brets is just karma!