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Post by jukei on Apr 24, 2022 10:30:20 GMT
Hi I hope you guys are well. It's been a while but here I am . I am going to post a Beastmen list I hope you will like.
Main Idea is playing a - scary Minobus unit - Ghorgon as second threat - keeping core unit at minimum - play chariots and pigs
Unfortunately I realized that for keeping the Ghorgon I had to sacrifice - lev 4 wizard - a stronger setup on my General - champion in the minotaurs unit and the shields which I really like on them because giving them an AS 5+ willprotect them against light shooting in the first turns of the game.
But now let's speak of what I have ....
[2,399pts]
Lords [316pts]
Doombull [316pts]: Shield [6pts]
Armour of Destiny [50pts], BRB - Sword of Swift Slaying [25pts]
AS4+ WS4+ is a very good protection and ASF is also very good (I could not run the classic ramhelm setup AS 1+ because I need the gnarled hide on my BSB soon you will se why... :-)
Heroes [572pts] +
Bray-Shaman [135pts]: Braystaff, Lore of Shadow, Wizard Level 2 [35pts]
Dispel Scroll [25pts]
dispel scroll is needed to have a minimum defense in magic phase just lev 2+ lore of shadow. hopefully he will cast something but he is mainly here for +2 in dispelling and for bringing the scroll
Gorebull [227pts]: Heavy Armour [8pts], Shield [4pts]
Battle Standard Bearer [40pts]: BRB - Standard of Discipline [15pts]
Gnarled Hide [15pts]
my BSB! I decided to give him the standard of discipline. In this way I solve the main issue of having a general with discipline 8 D9 rerollable is a great bonus for the mino unit and for the unit within 12" around ( gor for example) the army is much more reliable Because he has this standard I need to protect him with gnarled hide so he can have a very good AS 2+
Gorebull [210pts] Armour of Silvered Steel [45pts], BRB - Ironcurse Icon [5pts]
He is completing the "tris" AS 2+ and ironcurse Icon so all the mino Unit has WS6+ vs warmachine
+ Core [601pts] +
Gor Herd [361pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [5pts], Standard Bearer [10pts] 42x Gor [336pts]: 42x Additional Hand Weapon [42pts]
my 3rd threat .....(not a huge one but still they can be very good) Horde ....Wizard is in one corner to limit hits on him
Tuskgor Chariot [80pts]: Bestigor, Gor, 2x Tuskgor
Tuskgor Chariot [80pts]: Bestigor, Gor, 2x Tuskgor
Tuskgor Chariot [80pts]: Bestigor, Gor, 2x Tuskgor
chariots are supporting ..keeping the flank and cleaning chaff
Special [635pts]
Minotaurs [525pts]: 9x Minotaur [495pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [20pts]
I love them with shields but I didn't want to sacrifice razorgor or something else... unit is 9 +2 Gore and general Formation is 3 x 4
DGG MMM MMM MMM
AS6+ WS6+ vs warmachine they are shielded by the 3 heroes who will absorb all the hits ( 2 of them have AS 2+ T5) General Ws 4+ T5
Razorgor Herd [55pts]
Razorgor Herd [55pts]
they escort the minobus -clean chaff ( which can try to use the fury against us ) - flank charge - help pursuing the enemy.
+ Rare [275pts]
Ghorgon [275pts]
second threat there to divert attention from the minobus if ignored..can cause troubles in melee....
I hope you all like my list ! comments are welcome
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Post by jukei on Apr 24, 2022 10:57:20 GMT
Second crazy version is the following
[2,400pts]
Heroes [724pts]
Bray-Shaman [100pts]: Lore of Shadow, Wizard Level 1
Dispel Scroll [25pts]
Gorebull [227pts]: Heavy Armour [8pts], Shield [4pts]
. Battle Standard Bearer [40pts]: BRB - Standard of Discipline [15pts]
Gnarled Hide [15pts]
Gorebull [210pts] GENERAL . Magic Items [50pts]: BRB - Armour of Silvered Steel [45pts], BRB - Ironcurse Icon [5pts]
Gorebull [187pts]: Heavy Armour [8pts], Shield [4pts]
. Magic Items [15pts]: AB - Ramhorn Helm [15pts]
+ Core [601pts] +
Gor Herd [361pts]: Champion [10pts], Musician [5pts], Standard Bearer [10pts]
. 42x Gor [336pts]: 42x Additional Hand Weapon [42pts]
Tuskgor Chariot [80pts]
Tuskgor Chariot [80pts]
Tuskgor Chariot [80pts]
+ Rare [550pts] +
Ghorgon [275pts]
Ghorgon [275pts]
+ Special [525pts] +
Minotaurs [525pts]: 9x Minotaur [495pts], Musician [10pts], Standard Bearer [20pts]
No LORD!!!!!! crazy I know Btw D8 thanks to the standard of discipline just lev 1 wizard with scroll No pigs.....sadly
But We have second Ghorgon for the win....!!!!
Never played something like this. I have to test this crazy version any ideas? comments ?
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Post by johngg on Apr 28, 2022 10:04:23 GMT
I'm not an expert in Beastmen, but I like mthat IK'm seeing!
comments from an untrained eye...
First list; Doombulls are fantastic! but if preotection is the idea, perhaps the Fencers Blades instead of The Sword of Swift Slaying?
Magic wise you're ALWAYS going to be on the back foot.. But I think you know this!
I see what you're doing with the BSB and I think youre right, its necessary. I also think with Ld8 general and likely that you'll never be steadfast a crown of command may also be necessary. Perhaps on your second Gorebull instead of the Armour of Silvered Steel.
Love ALL your core
The Minobuss, like it but.
MDGGMM MMMMMM
would be better no? other wise youre wasting attackes and as I said, you're unlikely to be fighting an enumy unit with less ranks.
Razorgors - good! they'll be needed to clear chaff and counter the threat to Frenzy kiting of the Minobus.
Ghorgon. Good!
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Post by johngg on Apr 28, 2022 10:07:12 GMT
And now for the Crazy list! No Lords at all? CRAZY!! Ok so basically you've swapped out the Doomblll for another Ghorgon. I'm not sire thats a good idea persoanlly. And the reazorgors for another Gorebull. I think this leaves your Minobus vulnerable to be kitted about. I'd go with the first list
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Post by knoffles on May 1, 2022 21:05:36 GMT
I like a good mini list. In your first list, if the mini characters are going to be in the front rank, is it not worth giving the Minotaurs great weapons to boost their hitting power? I get the save vs light shooting but thought I’d ask. johngg, I’ve found that mino characters are notorious at fluffing their attacks (maybe that’s just me). As such they need ways to boost their hits. My personal favourite is the sword of striking for +1 to hit but the sword of swift slaying or the axes of khorgor (from the beast book), all work well.
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Post by johngg on May 1, 2022 22:13:26 GMT
johngg, I’ve found that mino characters are notorious at fluffing their attacks (maybe that’s just me). As such they need ways to boost their hits. My personal favourite is the sword of striking for +1 to hit but the sword of swift slaying or the axes of khorgor (from the beast book), all work well. Got to admit I’m a n00b at beastmen. Jukie and I are discussing them off forum and basically brought the convo here. He’s much more export and recently shared a batrep with me. Being the corrupted chaos guy I am I’ve always had half an eye on beastmen..
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 3, 2022 13:26:11 GMT
I like the first
...and also the crazy double Ghorgon list with no lord.
Audacious but I'd like to see you try it.
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Post by jamesacon on May 6, 2022 20:37:57 GMT
Love the minobus! My only suggestion would be to find the points for a mino champion and take the blackened plate on him. For added protection to the unit, and he can take a challenge while your heros/Lord go to town on the unit.
This also allows you to place all characters in the second rank behind the full command if you desire further protection going 3 wide.
I also have tried double ghorgons, they do well on the flanks and add more cannon targets!
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Post by Crazy_Dokta on May 11, 2022 10:46:06 GMT
Hmm. Pelt of shadowgave (magic armor) will be pretty good here (minobus needs in some more defence, both magic and shooty, especially if you don't field "standart magic heavy beastmen" list). Also I'd like add some more chaff (harpies/ungors or even mass core-chariot spam).
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Post by jukei on May 15, 2022 17:11:24 GMT
I'm not an expert in Beastmen, but I like mthat IK'm seeing! comments from an untrained eye... First list; Doombulls are fantastic! but if preotection is the idea, perhaps the Fencers Blades instead of The Sword of Swift Slaying? Magic wise you're ALWAYS going to be on the back foot.. But I think you know this! I see what you're doing with the BSB and I think youre right, its necessary. I also think with Ld8 general and likely that you'll never be steadfast a crown of command may also be necessary. Perhaps on your second Gorebull instead of the Armour of Silvered Steel. Love ALL your core The Minobuss, like it but. MDGGMM MMMMMM would be better no? other wise youre wasting attackes and as I said, you're unlikely to be fighting an enumy unit with less ranks. Razorgors - good! they'll be needed to clear chaff and counter the threat to Frenzy kiting of the Minobus. Ghorgon. Good! Thanks my friend! Minobus can work also in this way. ( more attacks from minotaurs but we will take more wounds because they will be not "shielded"by our Lord and heroes bulls
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Post by jukei on May 15, 2022 17:19:21 GMT
I like a good mini list. In your first list, if the mini characters are going to be in the front rank, is it not worth giving the Minotaurs great weapons to boost their hitting power? I get the save vs light shooting but thought I’d ask. johngg , I’ve found that mino characters are notorious at fluffing their attacks (maybe that’s just me). As such they need ways to boost their hits. My personal favourite is the sword of striking for +1 to hit but the sword of swift slaying or the axes of khorgor (from the beast book), all work well. Thanks for your comment . I appreciate. Great weapons boost our power but our Initiative allows us to hit before dwarves ..ogre...trolls and so on. We need to hit before( when we can) because we will suffer casualties with just a T4 and light armour. ................... Strenght 5 is really good. extra weapon is lost on the second rank so no way. Best equipment for me is shield ( AS 5+ ) because at least protects us more from light shooting . Alternative way is to keep them as they are and save points
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Post by jukei on May 15, 2022 17:22:00 GMT
I like the first ...and also the crazy double Ghorgon list with no lord. Audacious but I'd like to see you try it. hello my friend ! your comments are always somehow encouraging me ... thanks I admit I have never given a run to the second list but I will do soon...so stay tuned :-)
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Post by jukei on May 15, 2022 17:25:51 GMT
Love the minobus! My only suggestion would be to find the points for a mino champion and take the blackened plate on him. For added protection to the unit, and he can take a challenge while your heros/Lord go to town on the unit. This also allows you to place all characters in the second rank behind the full command if you desire further protection going 3 wide. I also have tried double ghorgons, they do well on the flanks and add more cannon targets! hi . thanks also to you! I am thinking about it . your suggestion is really useful! :-)
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Post by jukei on May 15, 2022 17:35:45 GMT
Hmm. Pelt of shadowgave (magic armor) will be pretty good here (minobus needs in some more defence, both magic and shooty, especially if you don't field "standart magic heavy beastmen" list). Also I'd like add some more chaff (harpies/ungors or even mass core-chariot spam). Hi ! I love pelt of shadowgave . I used them in a list which I played in the past. I just felt after a while My doombull was not equipped in the way i wished. I had to give him talisman of preservation 4+ Ws ..because he is my general ..but still i wanted a better armour save. Btw i will give this item a second shot. :-) ............................. I have more than 80 ungors ( 40 with arrows riders 40 with spears and shields) i also played them but....really I cannot stand them. I don 't like the miniatures... :-( ......................... Core is at the minimum so chaff for me is limited to crazy boar(s) and chariots ( they are not chaff but ....you know... :-) I love both. chariots are great but I need to purchase more. I have just 3 and btw I still need my horde of gors....I will not decrease their number ........................................ thanks for your help!
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Post by knoffles on May 15, 2022 17:45:39 GMT
I like a good mini list. In your first list, if the mini characters are going to be in the front rank, is it not worth giving the Minotaurs great weapons to boost their hitting power? I get the save vs light shooting but thought I’d ask. johngg , I’ve found that mino characters are notorious at fluffing their attacks (maybe that’s just me). As such they need ways to boost their hits. My personal favourite is the sword of striking for +1 to hit but the sword of swift slaying or the axes of khorgor (from the beast book), all work well. Thanks for your comment . I appreciate. Great weapons boost our power but our Initiative allows us to hit before dwarves ..ogre...trolls and so on. We need to hit before( when we can) because we will suffer casualties with just a T4 and light armour. ................... Strenght 5 is really good. extra weapon is lost on the second rank so no way. Best equipment for me is shield ( AS 5+ ) because at least protects us more from light shooting . Alternative way is to keep them as they are and save points Apologies - I meant great weapons on the rank and file minotaurs. With 3 characters in the front rank, the rank and file won't be able to be targeted which is why I thought that might be a good way to run them.
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