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Post by Mr Blank on May 1, 2022 11:28:46 GMT
This came up in the most recent game with Horace , my character in a unit was in combat but killed enough that in the next turn he wasn't in base contact with any enemies. I assumed that I could then make way to bring the character into combat again but Horace disagreed saying you could only make way in the 1st round (He did let me though, I think out of pity as I'd already lost the game by that point!) The rulebook says on page 100 "At the start of the combat (before Impact Hits are resolved), if a character's unit is in combat, but the character is not in base contact with the enemy, the controlling player can swap his position with another model that is in base contact." So does "At the start of combat" mean at the complete start of combat i.e. the 1st round or at the start of any combat phase? |
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Post by rahotep75 on May 1, 2022 12:53:49 GMT
I’ve never heard that interpretation. Was that line in the rule book the only reference Horace gave to back up their claim?
Flails, changing special weapons, hatred, and other rules that concern the first turn of combat always specifically say “first turn”. I didn’t find anything in the FAQ one way or another, though.
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Post by thegoat on May 1, 2022 13:33:31 GMT
I've always played that you could use Make Way on any round of combat.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 1, 2022 15:28:30 GMT
Horace is correct. Compare BRB p. 501: "If a character has more than one magic weapon, he must choose which one to use at the start of the combat (unless a rule specifies that both can be used at the same time) — the chosen weapon must be used for the duration of the combat." Here it is clear that "the start of combat" means just that: the start of the combat, and not the start of the combat round.
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Post by Horace on May 1, 2022 15:41:23 GMT
I’ve never heard that interpretation. Was that line in the rule book the only reference Horace gave to back up their claim? Flails, changing special weapons, hatred, and other rules that concern the first turn of combat always specifically say “first turn”. I didn’t find anything in the FAQ one way or another, though. I always thought a line in the rule book is the rule rather than a claim 😉 I just take "at the start of combat" as quite self explanatory, but I'm not too fussed about being a stickler over small stuff like that |
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Post by strutsagget on May 2, 2022 16:55:49 GMT
Still is also one of those good thing to remember/skill to learn as it is a good to plan where you want your characters for later turns. Or bait your opponent.
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Post by Naitsabes on May 2, 2022 21:10:22 GMT
let me try and keep up with you. so the character is out of base contact at the end of that combat turn. He can't make way at the beginning of the next combat turn as per Horace's rule book nugget. But, could the character/unit have reformed at the end of that original combat turn so as not to get stranded?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 2, 2022 21:28:50 GMT
Naitsabes: Yes, a combat reform can be used in this way, provided a combat reform was possible in the first place, and all of the original models in CC remained in CC.
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Post by strutsagget on May 3, 2022 14:31:32 GMT
Does it mean you have to add columns to add space for command when reform into a changed facing? Must vs can’t  |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on May 3, 2022 15:51:51 GMT
strutsagget: I'd say that is an entirely different discussion.
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Post by Mr Blank on May 7, 2022 12:39:14 GMT
Interesting, does the same principle apply to slayers and black orcs weapons then? You choose at the start of combat and then can't change until you're in a completely new combat?
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Post by strutsagget on May 7, 2022 17:58:38 GMT
Interesting, does the same principle apply to slayers and black orcs weapons then? You choose at the start of combat and then can't change until you're in a completely new combat? Yes for black orcs. Don’t know the wording for slayers. |
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Post by knoffles on May 11, 2022 8:53:31 GMT
It’s the same for slayers. It’s each combat, not each turn. It’s why 9 times out of 10 you will always take the great weapons
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Post by pete on May 11, 2022 13:36:55 GMT
I suppose you could try issuing a challenge which may be accepted….
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