Banner of Avelorn and Wildheart attribute

Yes, that is a hugely ironic reproach coming from someone who has brought forward here not a single argument based on the rules, let alone quote a rule, against someone who consistently has.


Hmm, I did not expect the Span... euh, no, that we have to go back to some basic principles. Of course, there is such a hierarchy:

Erratum/Amendment > BRB
Advanced > basic rules
AB > BRB.

All of which boils down to "Normal rules apply, unless specifically stated otherwise," a principle I have advocated numerous times and always try to adhere to.

That said, my argument is not even based on any hierarchy - it is based on applicability. You have claimed earlier I would misrepresent your position, but in truth, you have never clearly spelled it out, nor supported it with ANY argument based on the rules. I guess, the most elaborate form is this:



Well, the first sentence already contains a glaring error: the banner does not state that the whole unit benefits - it is only the Wizard who casts a spell from the Lore of Life or Light which targets the unit that contains the BoA - whether that Wizard is within or without the unit.

The second sentence we can agree on, but the conclusion from both is simply a non sequitur.

To requote the rule:


The bonus does not work, if any of the 4 conditions is not met, but number 3 is the crux of the matter, which, as pointed out several times before, you have not actually addressed a single time here. It must be a spell that targets a unit. If it does not target the unit, you do not get the bonus.  Please, provide a rules based argument that a spell which expressis verbis only targets a Wizard, also targets the unit he is in. There is none, and, as shown above, if applied, the idea renders itself absurd. 

chap, you've undone yourself on so many levels.

However, I shall ask for a fourth and final time.....

Which rule, implied or otherwise, gives express permission to ignore the fact that the Banner of Avelon affects any single model within a unit.

If you can expressly answer this, directly, as I have asked three times before, [which so far you have failed to do so] we all will be most happy.

If you cannot, you will conceed the point?

So no,  you havent answered my question, for the fourth time. Re-read the question again, if you must. 

That wording does not make exception to the fact the the Banner of Avelorn affects the Unit, and therefore every model IN that unit, as per the rules [As Horace pointed out in his post previously] 

Please, if you know of a rule, impiled orotherwise, which counters this, please, for the fith time of asking now, show us. 


     

Literally, horace’s quote, quoting the rulebook.

If I were obnoxious, it would only be because your entire method of reasoning makes no sense whatsoever. One non sequitur  "follows" another. How does this


in any way, shape or form have any relevance to this?



Just like the combined units rule does not have relevance if e.g. a character within a combined unit would wield the Biting Blade. Would the Biting Blade now affect every model in the unit? Of course not.  Unless a magic item (or any other effect for that matter) affects the unit, the combined units rule simply does not come into play. The BoA does not affect the unit - it affects spells. 

It is difficult to present an argument against your interpretation because your logic is so bizarre.

The rule you quoted (and are basing your argument on) is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.  Yes the wizard and the unit containing the Banner of Avelorn which he joined Voltron together into a new unit that also contains the Banner of Avelorn.  If that Voltron unit is targeted by a spell Banner of Avelorn is triggered.  But if the wizard is targeted by himself (even while he is inside the unit) Banner of Avelorn doesn't trigger.

The wizard being a part of the Voltron unit, doesn't stop him from also being a character and a wizard.  If a spell targets him because he is a character or a wizard, it doesn't count as targeting the Voltron unit.