magebonreve
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Warhammer player since 1989. From Belgium. Looks like a beer publicity ;-)
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Post by magebonreve on Jun 7, 2022 9:03:35 GMT
Hi everyone, we had our first game of WFB v8 in three years. 6000 points battle between Orcs and Wood Elves that will span over a few evenings. We had a few questions about large creatures, LOS and fly. With other words, the 'LOS statement' was causing some confusion. 1/ Can a large monster and his rider see over other troops and be able to shoot or cast spells that require LOS? 2/ Can a large monster and his rider see over other troops and charge? I believe yes if the troops charge as well and free the way for the large monster and his rider 3/ Can a flying large monster and his rider see over other troops and charge? If the troops do not charge as well to free the way, I would say no as the charge is not a flying movement (the flying units can only jump over other troops for standard moves). 4/ Can a unit shoot at a large monster behind other troops? 5/ Can individual characters on foot still charge in 360 degrees? What over characters on horses or monsters? I believe no one can't with the 8th edition. Thanks! ![]() |
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Post by rahotep75 on Jun 7, 2022 18:11:24 GMT
1/ Can a large monster and his rider see over other troops and be able to shoot or cast spells that require LOS? 2/ Can a large monster and his rider see over other troops and charge? I believe yes if the troops charge as well and free the way for the large monster and his rider 3/ Can a flying large monster and his rider see over other troops and charge? If the troops do not charge as well to free the way, I would say no as the charge is not a flying movement (the flying units can only jump over other troops for standard moves). 4/ Can a unit shoot at a large monster behind other troops? 5/ Can individual characters on foot still charge in 360 degrees? What over characters on horses or monsters? I believe no one can't with the 8th edition. Thanks! ![]() 1. 8E Warhammer uses true line of sight. If you can trace a line from the models eyes to any point on the target, without passing through line of sight blocking terrain or a totally blocking model (like a single wizard behind a steam tank, for example), you have line of sight to a target. 2. & 3. Any model that can actually see its desired charge target can declare a charge, as long as the target is within max charge range and is not an impossible charge, it doesn’t specifically have to be a Large Target. The difference with Fly is that as long as the charging model can fit against the target, interposing troops don’t need to move out of the way. Flying models that make a Fly (10”) charge treat the entire distance as open ground. 4. With true line of sight, any unit can shoot at any other unit as long as it has line of sight. You have to determine if the majority of the unit is obscured by intervening units to determine if the shooter will get the hard cover penalty or not. Most large targets are big enough that only another large target, a building, or monstrous cav/infantry will provide Heavy cover, and a Large target can never claim cover from an Obstacle. 5. No unit in 8E has a 360 line of sight, with a few exceptions (Grey Seer on screaming bell, a unit in a building, maybe one or two others). No unit in 8E has the ability to make a 360 charge (as far as I’m aware, don’t have every book) but units with the random movement rule (Doomwheel, spawn, pump wagons) can pivot 360 before rolling their distance which can result in seeming like a 360 charge. |
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magebonreve
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Warhammer player since 1989. From Belgium. Looks like a beer publicity ;-)
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Post by magebonreve on Jun 9, 2022 12:59:43 GMT
I was reading the LOS rules as well and indeed they mention 'troops can see over other troops'; amazing what an old brain can forget in three years without any game :-( The answers were very detailed. A big thank you, rahotep75!
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 11, 2022 7:45:27 GMT
To add to rahotep75 : You can see not only over other troops, but, indeed, through other troops. In case of doubt, the use of a laser pointer will settle things. BRB p. 10: "they must be able to see their foe through, under or over the battlefield terrain, and other models (friendly or enemy)." |
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Post by oldmandan on Jun 15, 2022 18:30:41 GMT
To add, when shooting at troops that you can just see behind another unit you suffer minus two to hit as the unit counts as being in hard cover.
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Post by johngg on Jun 18, 2022 19:26:56 GMT
Is it still the case that archers in the second and subsequent ranks use the front rank archer for LoS? Or do you 'true LoS' from their eyes in the rear ranks?
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jun 18, 2022 22:10:27 GMT
If rear ranks are allowed to shoot, they always use the Los and forward arc of the front rank.
BRB p. 39: "models in the second rank can use the line of sight and forward arc of the model directly in front of them for the purposes of all shooting attacks (including stand and shoot reactions.
BRB p. 78 (Volley Fire): "Models in rear ranks can use the line of sight and front arc of the first rank model directly to their front for the purposes of Volley Fire."
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