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Post by Naitsabes on Nov 24, 2018 21:00:41 GMT
Lately I have been pushing pretty hard on the Chaos Dwarfs. I am closing in on a 2000pt army now.
First up, the new and revised High Command. A mighty sorcerer prophet and his BSB castellan buddy.
The sorcerer is straight out of the box Alternative. The BSB is a regular Alternative trooper with a bunch of GW bits to make the standard. Quite happy with how these came out.
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Post by sedge on Nov 24, 2018 22:44:13 GMT
They look great, and the colours work really well. I love the freehand details on the back banner, and the converted standard.
What's the sorcerer prophet holding in his left hand? It looks like a walking stick from here, or that he's resting his hand on a hammer.
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Post by Naitsabes on Nov 24, 2018 23:27:48 GMT
And then I finished up a bunch of evil dwarfs. A pretty hefty unit. They line up in exactly one way and even that only with judicious use of unit fillers. My understanding is that Alternative now sells an updated version of these guys with less oversized axes. That should help a lot. Lastly, a Gorebeast Chariot which I slightly modified by leaving off the giant horns that normally protrude from the chassis. That left the harness-to-chassis area a bit empty so I shortened it. And that in turn made the chain reins too long which lead to much swearing and fumbling while assembling painted parts (including the classic superglued finger comedic minute). worth it?
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Post by Naitsabes on Nov 24, 2018 23:29:42 GMT
They look great, and the colours work really well. I love the freehand details on the back banner, and the converted standard. What's the sorcerer prophet holding in his left hand? It looks like a walking stick from here, or that he's resting his hand on a hammer. it's a hammer. although if you look closely, really what he is doing is holding the levitating hammer down, presumably so it won't float away (this guy just won't fit on 20mm)
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Post by strutsagget on Nov 25, 2018 6:56:49 GMT
Nice and good to know about the alternative. I got hold of some but need to add more so I will mix with the new ones.
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Post by Naitsabes on Feb 2, 2019 18:44:40 GMT
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Post by crownprinceimrik on Feb 2, 2019 19:01:06 GMT
I like him. he looks very brutal, and I really like the shields as armor plates. Where'd the chestplate come from? Fur could would from a fluff perspective if you assume they've used it either as cold insulation to keep the Giant from freezing to death, or if they've used it as padding beneath the armor to lessen the impact of a strong blow. Another possibility is to give him a right shoulderpad of some kind, that appears to be the only big gap between body and armor and a shoulderpad could cover a lot of it, especially if you hung another shield down the right side. As a side note, where'd you get the chains? I've wanted to use chains on things but never known where to get them.
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Post by sedge on Feb 2, 2019 19:13:33 GMT
I agree the transition from armour to bare flesh is quite abrupt, but that's kind of a feature of a siege giant - the Chaos Dwarves only care about armouring it from the front, the rest doesn't matter. The FW version is also quite sudden too - I think their armour is modelled a bit closer to the flesh, which helps a bit. The main thing I think yours needs is more strapping (and possibly chains too) attaching the armour to the giant. With some leather straps going around it'll look less like a giant with some armour plates stuck on the front, and more like the armour is properly attached.
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Post by mottdon on Feb 2, 2019 22:47:50 GMT
You know, that circle in the middle of his back kinda reminded me of a chain trap. Maybe you could get your hands on one and have it biting into his back? Kinda like that's how those evil Dwarves get their kicks in attaching it to him. Just a thought. I might have a spare chain trap around here somewhere.....
As far as the current state, I think that he looks fine from the sides. I think the problem lies in the front. It may be a bit too much. Particularly under the chest plate. I'd tend to think that the lower plates would get smaller the further down they go instead of larger. He kinda has a train look right now. Maybe even something like chainmail? He only has to survive long enough to knock down a wall, after all.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Feb 3, 2019 5:12:06 GMT
Nice conversion work. Excellent job with the hook hand. It looks a lot like the FW version.
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Post by Sweet_Totally on Feb 3, 2019 12:30:50 GMT
I like the look of the Siege Giant. The armour looks like a nice mixture of salvaged metal and spare shields slung onto the giant just before he is sent charging off at a walled city. Adding some fur padding or chainmail would work if you want a more complete and less haphazard look though. I guess you could use large pieces of bone/ivory aswell. Edit: You might want to give him some sort of improvised helmet. I personally really dig the helmetless look in combination with his heavily armoured front but it would make more thematic sense if his head was also protected. Maybe something like a big cauldron or even the skull of some monster (looking at you Ogre banner) would make for some adequate head protection. Another detail that could make the model pop would be to add some arrows which have pierced him through the gaps of his armour.
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Post by Naitsabes on Feb 3, 2019 19:13:33 GMT
cheers, guys, thanks for the feedback. I like him. he looks very brutal, and I really like the shields as armor plates. Where'd the chestplate come from? Fur could would from a fluff perspective if you assume they've used it either as cold insulation to keep the Giant from freezing to death, or if they've used it as padding beneath the armor to lessen the impact of a strong blow. Another possibility is to give him a right shoulderpad of some kind, that appears to be the only big gap between body and armor and a shoulderpad could cover a lot of it, especially if you hung another shield down the right side. As a side note, where'd you get the chains? I've wanted to use chains on things but never known where to get them. the chestplate is from the chariot kit. it comes with two...conveniently. For the right arm, I have some crazy tentacle arm plans. so, there will be some fur/hair to cover that area but yes, if that fails, it is pauldron time. The chains are from some necklace the wife deemed no longer fit to wear. I think if you google 'jewelry chain' you should be able to find stuff for cheap. In my hands adding some white glue here and there keeps it from dangling and swinging and later ruining paint jobs. I agree the transition from armour to bare flesh is quite abrupt, but that's kind of a feature of a siege giant - the Chaos Dwarves only care about armouring it from the front, the rest doesn't matter. The FW version is also quite sudden too - I think their armour is modelled a bit closer to the flesh, which helps a bit. The main thing I think yours needs is more strapping (and possibly chains too) attaching the armour to the giant. With some leather straps going around it'll look less like a giant with some armour plates stuck on the front, and more like the armour is properly attached. strapping. alright. I will stretch my meager greenstuff skills. You know, that circle in the middle of his back kinda reminded me of a chain trap. Maybe you could get your hands on one and have it biting into his back? Kinda like that's how those evil Dwarves get their kicks in attaching it to him. Just a thought. I might have a spare chain trap around here somewhere..... As far as the current state, I think that he looks fine from the sides. I think the problem lies in the front. It may be a bit too much. Particularly under the chest plate. I'd tend to think that the lower plates would get smaller the further down they go instead of larger. He kinda has a train look right now. Maybe even something like chainmail? He only has to survive long enough to knock down a wall, after all. alright, I will think about some way that giant gets mistreated. The front is the way it is because that giant has a rather substantial potbelly. that part of the armor is actually rather form-fitting Adding in chainmail would be cool. but, I know that is beyond me. I have thought about some kind of dangling chains below the armor plate but, that would cover up the rather disturbing groin area which I would like to keep on full display (practicality be damned.) Edit: You might want to give him some sort of improvised helmet. I personally really dig the helmetless look in combination with his heavily armoured front but it would make more thematic sense if his head was also protected. Maybe something like a big cauldron or even the skull of some monster (looking at you Ogre banner) would make for some adequate head protection. Another detail that could make the model pop would be to add some arrows which have pierced him through the gaps of his armour. Yes, helmet. clearly that would be the smart thing to do if you are sending a giant to war. But, I can't see a way to make a non-goofy helmet. Giant skull for me doesn't jive with chaos dwarfs and anything else I could do would look like a silly metal bucket. so, practicality be damned, rule of cool. no helmet! I hope I can give him a nice pained&sad expression with the paint job. This is not some jolly giant, stomping around with a bunch of goblins gorging on beer and cattle and farmers. This guy's life has taken a wrong turn and it is a one-way trip down misery lane.
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Post by midnightfox0083 on Feb 3, 2019 23:12:04 GMT
You could also fill some of the back space with chains hooked into the flesh that trail behind to represent Scaling Spikes if you ever use them.
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Post by sedge on Feb 4, 2019 11:37:13 GMT
Chainmail might not actually be so hard - you can buy the material online and then cut to shape and glue in place: www.etsy.com/nz/listing/119763259/chain-mail-fabric-for-costumes - you'd just need to find some very fine chainmail. Re. the helmet, the bucket could be augmented by a couple of side cheek flaps (I'm sure there's a technical term for that) plus a noseguard so it looks a bit more fancy. Maybe with a rivet or two to show where it's been nailed to his skull. Alternatively, one of the 40k Imperial Knight faceplates (the more medieval knightly ones) might fit to a giant's face. I've got both models back at home, so can check that later.
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Post by Naitsabes on Mar 10, 2019 19:01:08 GMT
Okay. I went through another round of hobby on this guy. As you can see his other arm has been touched by the dark gods. I also added some detailing to break up the larger armor surfaces and as suggested more chains. Think this guy might be ready for paint. Oh. And I named him George.
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