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I’ll admit to not having any experience with the combined elf lists but I have played/faced HE’s/DE’s and Skaven and my first though is, unless you are deliberately going for an MSU approach (which is fine if you are, it can be very rewarding but has a higher margin for error), your elite units are probably too small, especially if facing the masses ranks of Skaven. Executioners and White Lions aren’t dissimilar so you are probably better off dropping one of those units to boost the size of the others.

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Regarding your list, I personally like seeing the MSU approach being used in an elite army like Elves - none of that horde nonsense in an army that wouldn't fight in dirty great masses of 30+ anyway - but the first thing I would say is "Where are the flaming attacks?"! Your Skaven-fielding opponent is extremely likely to field at least one Hell Pit Abomination, which will steamroller over pretty much anything you can field in close combat without some Flaming Attacks to deny it its Regeneration save. I would suggest a spellcaster with the Lore of Fire, one of your elite units taking the Banner of Eternal Flame, a Dragon or replacing your Frostheart with a Flamespyre for this. Indeed replacing the Sorceress and the Frostheart with a Dragon Mage would tick three of those boxes in one while not affecting your points total too much.

Additionally, knoffles is correct in that taking Executioners is pretty pointless given White Lions do the same job, and vice versa - it'd be far better to choose just one Strength 6 unit and spend the points from the other one either on another unit or expanding the first one. Additionally, I wouldn't rate White Lions or Executioners against Skaven - these units are designed to crack open smaller units of heavily-armoured elite infantry, which Skaven have none of. You'd be far better off spending the points on Swordmasters, who pack an extra attack each at a Strength that's still enough to butcher anything Skaven can field, so you can carve your way through those hordes your opponent is so keen to bring. Also I would give the Banner of the World Dragon to them to protect them against nasty Skaven magic, against which they would normally die like flies with only T3 and a 5+ armour save. Your Phoenix Guard on the other hand have a 4+ Ward Save against everything so don't need the Banner nearly as much.

Finally, because Skaven like War Machines so much, you need something that can infiltrate the rear ranks and take them out before they blast too much of your army to bits - while your flying monster, whichever you pick, could be pressed into this role, I also would recommend including a unit of Shadow Warriors so that if your monster dies from a Warp Lightning Cannon shot in the first turn, they can still arrive on the board in Turn 2 to neutralise any artillery before the rest of your army follows in similarly short order.

Hope that helps, and I look forward to hearing about the outcome!

I disagree that Silver Helms and Ellyrian Reavers play the same role, Silver Helms are Knights for all intents and purposes and deliver a stronger charge while being better armoured with that mighty 2+ save all knight units have. Even a unit of 5 could still easily hold a unit of Clanrats for a couple of turns in melee and will kill a few of them as well, particularly on the charge, though a smaller unit would be best for hitting the flank of the Skaven unit while a bigger infantry unit hits the same unit in the front, which should be enough to win the combat and cause a rout.

Ellyrian Reavers and Dark Riders on the other hand have very little charge bonus if any and are far more likely to die in combat, and certainly are little use in helping you to win a melee, but their main role is as Fast Cavalry for being annoying and staying out of combat to pepper the enemy with missiles, running away if the Skaven unit tries to charge them, which actually is useful against Skaven given they have no cavalry, Rat Ogres are rarely seen and are easily baited anyway, Hell Pits have Random Movement and Stormfiends are expensive but not well-armoured so will get annoyed at you shooting at them and want to charge you, allowing you to bait them.

Thanks everyone for their input! I'm learning a lot.

I have no flaming attacks because I know for a fact that I won't be facing a Hellpit Abomination since he doesn't have one, he is more fan of Rat Ogres. I think there is no need for the Sisters or the dragon....yet!

I will swap the White Lions for Swordmasters and make it a big unit with the World Dragon Banner, I will also bring Reavers/Dark Riders instead of Silver helms and I'll try to include a Shadow Warrior unit and possibly a few upgrades like the BSB or the flaming breath.

I'll try to update the list as soon as I'm able.

Cheers!