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Post by jamesacon on Jul 3, 2022 6:55:55 GMT
Hey all I know this is probably basic but just wanted some clarification.
When you charge a unit, do you wheel then move straight?
Or are you allowed to wheel at any point of the move? To essentially get around blocking obstacles?
Thanks
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jul 3, 2022 12:31:20 GMT
Here is one we prepared earlier: The move is legal. You are entitled to one free wheel during your move - there is no specification that you need to make that wheel first. BRB p. 20: "They move directly forward, but are permitted one wheel of up to 90° as they move, and another of unlimited arc once in contact," and "the unit must move straight ahead, except that, during this move, it may make a single wheel of up to 90°." |
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Post by jamesacon on Jul 3, 2022 13:04:38 GMT
Here is one we prepared earlier: The move is legal. You are entitled to one free wheel during your move - there is no specification that you need to make that wheel first. BRB p. 20: "They move directly forward, but are permitted one wheel of up to 90° as they move, and another of unlimited arc once in contact," and "the unit must move straight ahead, except that, during this move, it may make a single wheel of up to 90°." Thank you Fvon! |
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Post by johngg on Jul 26, 2022 15:03:48 GMT
<inserts gif of perfect pitch leading to homerun >
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Post by quenelles84 on Aug 15, 2022 21:32:29 GMT
![]() Can I just check a real scenario from a recent game. A unit of Tomb King Chariots wants to declare a charge into the flank of my Knights of the Realm (currently in combat with another unit) However in-between them is my lord and my BSB also in this same combat (but as separate units) Due to the positioning (see link) I believe: A: If chariots charged straight forward then they would clip the Lord (not allowed) B: If they make a single wheel they could miss the lord, but it will also mean they miss the knights (not allowed) C: If they make two wheels they would neatly tuck in behind the Lord (but not allowed to wheel twice - only to close door) Therefore I think they cannot make this charge (although they could of course charge the Lord instead). (Although my follow-up question is can they even charge the Lord if he is already in a challenge? and if they can, do they fight? Impact Hits?) Apologies for messy questions, but oddly this kind of scenario seems to come up a lot for me! Thanks! ibb.co/4SS0gRM |
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Post by thegoat on Aug 15, 2022 23:34:01 GMT
Based on your description and diagram, the Tomb King chariots would fail the charge against the Knights of the Realm.
The Tomb King chariots could complete a charge against the Bretonnian lord. Him being in a challenge has nothing to do with charging.
If the Bretonnian lord is still in a challenge when the TK chariots initiative step is called, they will not be able to attack. But that is seperate from the charging situation.
I believe Impact hits can target the Bretonnian lord, even while he is in a challenge.
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 16, 2022 9:39:39 GMT
Based on the diagram B, it seems to me unclear whether or not the TK can finish the charge the KotR: they might end up clipping the corner, which would be sufficient. If not, then it would result in a failed charge. As thegoat says, you can charge a lone character model in a challenge. The charging unit will not able to attack that model at all that round, but it will add to CR (for charge, flank attack, etc.). BRB p. 102: "These two characters must direct all of their attacks against each other — they cannot be attacked by any other model for that round of close combat." |
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Post by quenelles84 on Aug 16, 2022 12:07:49 GMT
Thank you both for your thoughts (very much valued).
two quick follow-ups:
1) Would it be a 'failed charge' or an 'impossible charge' (I think the latter and therefore my opponent should not roll dice and could still move in the remaining moves sub-phase).
2) In terms of the Chariots' attacks, assuming the challenge was already underway then I think they would therefore miss out on their impact hits (+ all other attacks as Fvon says).
Appreciate your thoughts on whether I have understood that correctly.
Thanks!
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Post by quenelles84 on Aug 16, 2022 12:09:18 GMT
P.S. I do realise it would be different for impact hits if the challenge wasn't already declared (although I also think in that scenario it would be unlikely for an opponent to accept a challenge (unless they had no choice).
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Aug 16, 2022 13:50:33 GMT
1. You cannot declare an impossible charge. So, if a charge is declared in good faith, without objection, both parties thought it was possible. As I said, from diagram B, it could be that the charging unit may end up clipping the KotR, in which case it is not an impossible charge. It is best to clarify and agree on this beforehand. If he then declares a charge, and still fails to touch the unit, I would count it as a failed charge, but if you both agree, feel free to disregard the charge declaration.
2. Yes, impact hits are wasted - against a lone character. The situation is different if the character is part of a unit. Impact Hits "hit a unit in base contact," not models. When the charging unit is in base contact with a character in a challenge, it is base contact with his unit. Hence, the Impact Hits will still affect other models of that unit.
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Post by quenelles84 on Aug 16, 2022 14:35:49 GMT
Some really good points there. Thanks again for your thoughts!
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