Glory or Death is a game currently under development that as far as I can tell aims to mesh up the modern and fanciful with good old warhammer-type rules. The hype is strong with this one, here is the facebook group:
I've seen some rules snippets and I like it. Very much written in the conversational style of legacy (as opposed to the legalese, might-as-well-chew-broken-glass style of T9A). There are some 'new' (as in not in old warhammer) ideas like fatigue&objectives, some things seem much more straightforward (e.g. challenges). But, much is recognizable to warhammer old-hands. Rumor has it there is an ex-GW type involved in rules development.
The modern aspect is an app that not only is the place to make army list but also contains all the rules which will be indexed and cross-linked and so presumably are easy to look up while gaming. And the app will contain a leaderboard and keep track of your gaming exploits and probably more. maybe even make you coffee? To be honest, that part isn't what gets me excited but, I am old, almost rocking chair on the porch old. If an app is what gets the next generation into tabletop, bring it on!
All in all it's too early for a final verdict. I am excited to see this develop, certainly progressing at a brisk pace.
number 16 = Dogs of War? not sure. I guess I haven't counted the warhammer or T9A factions in a long time. It's a little ways away. The current plan is to bring out a first playable version with lists for not-Empire and not-Chaos Warriors.
My guess is that they wouldn't do something new and wild for number 16 like insect warriors or the infamous fishmen. not-Kislev, not-Cathay etc. seem to fit more with the project vibe. But I doubt anything is set in stone.
The app will have some kind of yearly fee as far as I understand it, at least that is the long term plan. likely there will be free lunches for early adopters, maybe youtubers, master hobbyist who provide pictures etc. etc.
In the interest of full disclosure: I have volunteered to proofread materials to make their Greek English a little more ...plain English.
Post by lordofskullpass on Oct 7, 2022 8:28:11 GMT
Not bad, the app still needs work (can't view notifications, the 'casual game' and 'tournament game' features currently don't work and the win-loss chart needs a bit of a cleanup), but is decent, though I'm not paying £40-£50 a year for it when they deploy it in full. I assume they will deal in physical rulebooks and Codices as well when they get the show on the road? I'd rather have a once-only payment for a good physical hardback copy that I print out errata for myself than pay a yearly sum for a digital version.
Good to see that Bretonnians, Beastmen, Dwarfs and Orcs and Goblins will definitely be appearing down the line, I hope they restore some of the old Ambush and Raiders mechanics for Beastmen, like I've done in my 8th book, as a way to differentiate them from Orcs and Goblins.
I've noticed that they've introduced 2 new factions in the form of Nippon (always existed in Warhammer but didn't get an army book and only had one model from 3rd-4th Edition) and Olympians (which sounds Greek to me but the illustration looks more like Sisters of Battle which is disappointing, unless they're doing something along the line of Mantic's Basilean army), which suggests to me that one existing Fantasy faction won't have an army list. I'm worried that Vampire Counts are definitely going to get a list but there's no planned ruleset as of yet for Tomb Kings - do you suppose they're avoiding writing rules for them specifically to avoid risking the ire of GW?
Don't know how much they "lawyer-ed up" for IP issues and are careful to stay within lanes. Tomb Kings presumably will be captured in 'The Sand Emperors'. I think as soon as you don't have to consider shelf space in stores (like GW) or painfully excessive balance (like T9A) you can pretty much support any number of factions. so, I would expect this game to eventually cover all standard warhammer factions, some not-quite-there legacy factions like Nippon, and mostly original factions. eventually.
I like that they play up on their Greek heritage. Maybe the Olympians have all kinds of demigod heroes? cyclops? blemmyes? There should be enough material to make a neat Greek mythology mash-up. And in the day of 3d printing, they could provide models (or stl) without prohibitive start-up investments. I hope that list is not supposed to give Sigmarines models a home. Anyway, there is only so much we can glean from one picture.
The app/subscription model seems to be the primary mode. There will be a free rule pdf initially. Don't know how much that will be updated. My understanding is the rules will be fine-tuned quite often. The app would be a straightforward way to both get data on games played/won per faction, type of lists used etc. and also to solicit feedback.
I am too old to find subscriptions appealing but, looking around that's e.g. how most of video gaming and other software works nowadays. so maybe that is the way to make it happen as a small business in the realm of tabletop wargaming?