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Post by sonofkurnos on Nov 22, 2022 14:49:33 GMT
Hi! I am mulling and thinking about a Warriors of Chaos force. I have an image in my head, of northmen, not yet quite touched by specific chaos gods. Hunting and raiding along the coast. Dressed in browns and greys, bare metal and long beards. No marks and no god specific units, think Viking/Saxons with a Warhammer twist. I hope you'll look at this list with that in mind. I'm tempted to drop the chaos warriors entirely for Marauders, if so how would that look? Currently the warriors are 7 wide, with both characters. Number of Dragon ogres look OK? 2 shaggoths worth taking? ++ Standard (Warriors of Chaos - Army Book (2013-4) -V8.8.0.) [2,000pts] +++ Uncategorised +- Army Size: Army (0-2999 points) + Lords +Chaos Sorcerer Lord [385pts]: Lore of Shadow, Wizard Level 4 . Chaos Mutations & Powers: Chaos Familiar, Scaled Skin . Magic Items: BRB - Dispel Scroll, BRB - Talisman of Preservation + Heroes +Exalted Hero [195pts]: Battle Standard Bearer . Chaos Mutations & Powers: Soul Feeder . Magic Items: BRB - Enchanted Shield, BRB - Sword of Striking, BRB - Talisman of Endurance + Core +Chaos Warhounds [30pts]: 5x Chaos Warhound Chaos Warhounds [30pts]: 5x Chaos Warhound Chaos Warriors [360pts]. Champion . 19x Chaos Warrior: 19x Shields . Musician . Standard Bearer: BRB - Razor Standard Marauder Horsemen [110pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 5x Marauder Horsemen: 5x Shields, 5x Spears Marauder Horsemen [110pts]: Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer . 5x Marauder Horsemen: 5x Shields, 5x Spears + Special +Dragon Ogres [340pts]. 5x Dragon Ogre: 5x Great weapons + Rare +Dragon Ogre Shaggoth [220pts]: Additional hand weapons Dragon Ogre Shaggoth [220pts]: Additional hand weapons ++ Total: [2,000pts] ++Created with BattleScribeLooking forward to your help here. Thank you.
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Post by jamesacon on Nov 23, 2022 17:01:45 GMT
Hey there,
I love themed lists! WoC are my first and true love haha. Here are some thoughts that I have and some corrections that battlescribe missed.
First up the corrections. The chaos familiar is counted as an arcane item, so no dispell scroll and familiar. Warriors of chaos units can only take magic banners up to 25 points. So razor standard is out.
Now for my random thoughts. I would take standard of discipline on the warriors. Since your LD will only be 8, you will need the boost. You don't want that unit running! Without marks, LD is very important for WoC.
I would drop a shaggoth to get the dragon ogres to 6, give vanguard to the hounds and take a chariot to help support your main block.
If you are thinking of going mauraders maybe consider wulfrik? He's a fun choice and a unit of 20 with flails can make a mess of someone's backfield.
Trolls can be a great choice for undivided armies, (especially with throgg) but I can see that might not be what you pictured in your head. Same with chimera, but they're a bit tricky to use with their low LD.
Your items on your characters are fine, but I would take scaled skin on the BSB. A nice loadout I like to use is; scaled skin, dawnstone, dragon helm,ironcurse icon, halberd. I truly believe that the BSB is more important than lords for WoC!
Anyway thanks for reading my random ramblings at 4am lol
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Post by sonofkurnos on Nov 23, 2022 18:25:05 GMT
No, thank *you* for answering!
A couple of follow on Q's...
10 spear, jav and shield horseman, or two units of 5?
6 DRogres, or two units of 3? Seems a Shame to waste the attacks on the second rank
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Post by jamesacon on Nov 23, 2022 19:36:29 GMT
Go 6, dragon ogres can make 3 attacks while supporting, so you are not wasting them. I found 3 can not be enough, especially when charged by knights with lances.
Go two units of 5 with horsemen. Probably a best to drop the banner and champion. Keep musician for the feigned flight fast cav are meant for. I also recommend taking javelins on them.
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Post by Sweet_Totally on Nov 23, 2022 19:44:15 GMT
I'd go with the two units of 5 horsemen.
I haven't personally tried out Dragon Ogres but with their 3 attack they won't be wasting any attacks in the second row. However the unit will be pretty big and therefore not the easiest to manouver around so I'd go with two smaller units.
As for the Sorcerer Lord I can say that I've had some success with one equipped with the Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation, Dispel Scroll and Flaming Breath for some surprise damage output.
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Post by sonofkurnos on Nov 23, 2022 19:51:11 GMT
Thanks guys.
The DRogres make no difference in the building, so I'll try out the 3s and the 6.
I'll take your advice on board for the 2 units of 5 horseman - same points, so no change to my list necessarily.
Thanks again
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Post by jamesacon on Nov 23, 2022 21:04:34 GMT
I'd go with the two units of 5 horsemen. I haven't personally tried out Dragon Ogres but with their 3 attack they won't be wasting any attacks in the second row. However the unit will be pretty big and therefore not the easiest to manouver around so I'd go with two smaller units. As for the Sorcerer Lord I can say that I've had some success with one equipped with the Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation, Dispel Scroll and Flaming Breath for some surprise damage output. Ooo I like that sorcerer build! I'm going to try it with lore of fire!
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Post by grandmasterwang on Nov 24, 2022 8:09:54 GMT
I love the themed list!
It will look great on the tabletop.
Are you converting the shaggoths to have 2 hand weapons? Only because the metal/finecast model has a great weapon. I personally would recommend running 1 with a Great Weapon. I've run 2 Shaggoths a couple of times and the threat of the Strength 8 can be huge. Their initiative isn't that high and the points cost isn't that different. That way you have both options on the battlefield and the GW shaggoth becomes the heaviest hitter im your army.
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Post by sonofkurnos on Nov 24, 2022 16:26:30 GMT
Yes, I was going to use the single hand weps from the DRogre sprue - I assume they'll fit in?
Agreed on one of them having a great weapon though... I assume for the DRogres we agree they are always better with great weapons?
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Post by jamesacon on Nov 24, 2022 21:35:14 GMT
Yes, I was going to use the single hand weps from the DRogre sprue - I assume they'll fit in? Agreed on one of them having a great weapon though... I assume for the DRogres we agree they are always better with great weapons? Yeah GW are the way to go, Str 7 is pretty nasty to 1+ saves. Also a dragon ogre champ has a good chance at getting those bonus points for killing a character in a challenge.
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