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Post by masquerade on Nov 22, 2022 19:04:18 GMT
Hi be
I have returned to warhammer after 7 years of pause. Played Woc before I have bought some of daemons, this is my first try. Will be facing Empire, skaven and vampire counts
So what do you think about this setup? 
Total Roster Cost: 2999
Great Unclean One (1#, 555 pts)
1 Great Unclean One, 480 pts = (base cost 375 + Level 4 Wizard 105)
1 Exalted Gift, 75 pts
Herald of Khorne (1#, 185 pts)
1 Herald of Khorne, 160 pts = (base cost 100 + Greater Locus of Fury 60)
1 Lesser Gift, 25 pts
Bloodletters of Khorne (31#, 464 pts)
30 Bloodletters of Khorne, 440 pts = 30 * 14 (base cost 14) + Musician Mus 10 + Standard Bearer Std 10
1 Bloodreaper, 24 pts
Herald of Nurgle (1#, 185 pts)
1 Herald of Nurgle, 160 pts = (base cost 90 + Battle Standard Bearer 25 + Greater Locus of Fecundity 45)
1 Lesser Gift, 25 pts
Plaguebearers of Nurgle (40#, 565 pts)
39 Plaguebearers of Nurgle, 527 pts = 39 * 13 (base cost 13) + Musician Mus 10 + Standard Bearer Std 10
1 Plagueridden, 23 pts
1 Banner of Swiftness, 15 pts
Beasts of Nurgle (1#, 60 pts)
1 Beasts of Nurgle, 60 pts
Beasts of Nurgle (1#, 60 pts)
1 Beasts of Nurgle, 60 pts
Bloodcrushers of Khorne (5#, 360 pts)
4 Bloodcrushers of Khorne, 280 pts = 4 * 65 (base cost 65) + Musician Mus 10 + Standard Bearer Std 10
1 Bloodhunter, 75 pts
1 Gleaming Pennant, 5 pts
Nurglings (2#, 80 pts)
2 Nurglings, 80 pts = 2 * 40
Nurglings (2#, 80 pts)
2 Nurglings, 80 pts = 2 * 40
Skull Cannon of Khorne (3#, 135 pts)
1 Skull Cannon of Khorne, 135 pts
Skull Cannon of Khorne (3#, 135 pts)
1 Skull Cannon of Khorne, 135 pts
Skull Cannon of Khorne (3#, 135 pts)
1 Skull Cannon of Khorne, 135 pts
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Post by grandmasterwang on Nov 24, 2022 12:20:50 GMT
Is this based on models you have?
I like the Nurgle and Khorne theme.
Skullcannons are quite broken for the points and taking 3 could be seen as a bit gamey.
You could consider dropping a Skullcannon and nurglings and taking a fly unit if you have the models. This gives you a flying/fast moving unit which is something the army is currently lacking.
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Post by masquerade on Nov 24, 2022 21:07:52 GMT
Yeah the list is based on what I have, but have a couple of drones as well. It's not a problem about the models, I will use stand ins. I have to test what works, and then I buy the rest of the models.
Yeah I have thought about speed in this list. The drones might be a good unit, I have room for 3, if I remove 1 nurgling and one cannon.
The part about beeing gamey with 3 skullcannons. Is it becaurse they dont work?
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Post by jamesacon on Nov 24, 2022 21:32:39 GMT
Quite the opposite, it's because they work great! They are a bit undercosted for their performance. So it can be seen a bit too "win more" with 3. But that depends on what lists your opponents use too.
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Post by masquerade on Nov 25, 2022 20:16:34 GMT
ok, I have removed the 2 nurglings and one cannon, and set in a unit of 3 plague drones  Let's see how Empire will be fleeing tomorrow :-P |
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Post by johngg on Dec 7, 2022 17:04:05 GMT
I'm very interested to see how you got on.
At the ned of the day its all relative. For example my Empire Army has 3 cannons, 2 mortars and a Hellcannon.
Personally, I'd say Beasts of Nurgle were more gamey when spammed than skull cannons are. Skull cannons are relatively fragile after all and an experienced general will nullify them early or limit their effectivness.
Dealling with 39 Plaguebearers and 30 Bloodletters should be the real concern.
So tell us, how did you get on?
Oh, and a very very warm welcome back!!
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Post by knoffles on Dec 30, 2022 12:25:44 GMT
Welcome back! You’ve removed the cannon but just for future reference, I thought I’d point out that, RAW, you can only take 2 identical rare choices in an army under 3k in points (unless you have an agreement with your opponent of course!), so in a standard game, you could have only of taken 2 skull cannons. (Page 135 of the rulebook).
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jan 3, 2023 14:38:33 GMT
Welcome back! You’ve removed the cannon but just for future reference, I thought I’d point out that, RAW, you can only take 2 identical rare choices in an army under 3k in points (unless you have an agreement with your opponent of course!), so in a standard game, you could have only of taken 2 skull cannons. (Page 135 of the rulebook). I agree with you but you know I've actually seen people argue that only the second identical rare choice counts as a 'duplicate' so that they can take 3 identical rare choices under 3000. Ie 1 original and 2 duplicates. |
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Post by knoffles on Jan 4, 2023 13:22:45 GMT
Welcome back! You’ve removed the cannon but just for future reference, I thought I’d point out that, RAW, you can only take 2 identical rare choices in an army under 3k in points (unless you have an agreement with your opponent of course!), so in a standard game, you could have only of taken 2 skull cannons. (Page 135 of the rulebook). I agree with you but you know I've actually seen people argue that only the second identical rare choice counts as a 'duplicate' so that they can take 3 identical rare choices under 3000. Ie 1 original and 2 duplicates. If they were looking at just the chart on page 135 I’d have some leeway with that arguement but the first paragraph of the text under duplicate choices clearly says: an army cannot contain more than: 3 special choices of the same type and 2 rare choices of the same type. It then gives clear examples. I know you’re just flagging instances you’ve seen but I don’t think this is even one that is borderline arguable 😁 |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Jan 4, 2023 15:09:40 GMT
knoffles: I should think it is a prime example of a "borderline" argument... That said, there is the "two units for one choice," which, however, is now only a theoretical option. At least, the example given in the BRB (7th edition Chaos Spawn) has become defunct, and I cannot seem to find any other.
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Post by masquerade on Jan 5, 2023 12:42:53 GMT
I'm very interested to see how you got on. At the ned of the day its all relative. For example my Empire Army has 3 cannons, 2 mortars and a Hellcannon. Personally, I'd say Beasts of Nurgle were more gamey when spammed than skull cannons are. Skull cannons are relatively fragile after all and an experienced general will nullify them early or limit their effectivness. Dealling with 39 Plaguebearers and 30 Bloodletters should be the real concern. So tell us, how did you get on? Oh, and a very very warm welcome back!! Thanks Sorry for the late rapport. The battle went horrible. Luck can be such a gamechanger. Didn't get all the good magic with the Guo, misfire in turn 1, 2 cannons died that way.
When the Guo charged a small unit, he had a witchhunter in it. He challenged and of course I accepted. He had a magic item, that switched all my stats with his, and the Guo was wiped out.. Not that fun.. 
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Post by johngg on Jan 6, 2023 16:51:52 GMT
I'm very interested to see how you got on. At the ned of the day its all relative. For example my Empire Army has 3 cannons, 2 mortars and a Hellcannon. Personally, I'd say Beasts of Nurgle were more gamey when spammed than skull cannons are. Skull cannons are relatively fragile after all and an experienced general will nullify them early or limit their effectivness. Dealling with 39 Plaguebearers and 30 Bloodletters should be the real concern. So tell us, how did you get on? Oh, and a very very warm welcome back!! Thanks Sorry for the late rapport. The battle went horrible. Luck can be such a gamechanger. Didn't get all the good magic with the Guo, misfire in turn 1, 2 cannons died that way.
When the Guo charged a small unit, he had a witchhunter in it. He challenged and of course I accepted. He had a magic item, that switched all my stats with his, and the Guo was wiped out.. Not that fun..
Ahh.. the old "VHS Witch Hunter trap" I know it well... sounds like one of those games you chalk down to experience and mve on. still great to have you back in the hobby! if you need any pointers about Empire, or any other enemy, drop us a line! |
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Post by Darnok on Jan 24, 2023 19:37:12 GMT
That dispute about the number of rare choices did not really matter anyway: as a list for 3000 points up to four identical rare choices were allowed.
Not saying I would support three Khorne cannons, but they are perfectly legal at this points level.
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Post by johngg on Jan 25, 2023 16:52:21 GMT
That dispute about the number of rare choices did not really matter anyway: as a list for 3000 points up to four identical rare choices were allowed. Not saying I would support three Khorne cannons, but they are perfectly legal at this points level. If his army was 3000 points, you would be correct. |
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Post by Darnok on Jan 25, 2023 20:24:46 GMT
That dispute about the number of rare choices did not really matter anyway: as a list for 3000 points up to four identical rare choices were allowed. Not saying I would support three Khorne cannons, but they are perfectly legal at this points level. If his army was 3000 points, you would be correct.
It is, just check the title. We are talking about a list going for 3000 points, I do not see how there is any ground for disagreement.
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Let's see how Empire will be fleeing tomorrow :-P 
