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Post by locklust on Dec 4, 2022 14:33:42 GMT
Looking at starting dark elf competitive.
With 50% lords
1 x lord on steed
1 x lord on peg
1 x lvl 4 death
1 x master BSB on peg
1 x Assassin
14 shards x 2
10 dark riders
2 x bolt throwers
2 x shades
9 x warlocks
5 x warlocks
25% lords
Exactly the same but 2 masters on peg instead of lord on peg
Would have spare points not sure what to do with it.
I'd love to make a dragon work but competitively I can't see this happening (please change my mind)
I don't think DE work with blocks, I believe their advantage comes from speed and pin point attacks with good magic and fair amount of shooting.
Cheers
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Post by sonofkurnos on Dec 4, 2022 15:34:37 GMT
I would build for 25 lords, and practice that list... Some events accepts end times %, some don't so makes sense to me to practice with the list that would be accepted anywhere
My first thought this is, where's the hydras??
This feels like a lot of characters, and 'things' but without any units or monsters to back it. Even the best characters can't take out whole units themselves and will eventually get worn down.
The benefit of peg heroes is that they are cheap, quick darts to get in to your enemies lines and take out war machines or chaff etc. So, taking lord level characters for this seems like a waste. If you're looking at combat lords, well, I don't think peg are the best place for them.
You definitely do not need 3x lord level characters though, regardless of the points level (which hasn't been specified in your post) The level 4 is fine, but what are the other lord's actually adding to your list? To your battle plan?
Personally I'd start by dropping the 2 lords and just having a level 4
For heroes I'd take the BSB off the peg hero, and make a new BSB either foot or mounted depending where he'll go.
This will leave you with a load of points - get some hydras, get a mainline, bulky unit, get some magic items spread out
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Post by grandmasterwang on Dec 5, 2022 7:04:31 GMT
Is the plan to avoid enemy blocks (ie hit and run, pick off weak targets) to win via points?
The list will struggle to break steadfast blocks but I can see you death sniping and picking off flank targets with all the elements you have.
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Post by thezildo on Dec 29, 2022 17:10:45 GMT
Where’s the blood thirsty goth chicks at?!?! Witch elves with a death hag on a cauldron. Make it the BSB with razor standard for more spiciness. Oh how I love witch elves. But I’m just starting a dark elf army and only have a few games under my belt. Not sure what would be best. Also, all those pegasuses… pegasi… Pegasues… whatever, will be pretty expensive to gather up. But if you’ve got the greenbacks for it then more power to you.
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Post by locklust on Jan 2, 2023 12:40:17 GMT
Ok final list
Malekith with dragon
1 x master on peg with the big standard 1 up 3++
1x master BSB on horse, Dawnstone and spell shield (give warlocks 3++ Vs magic)
2 x 5 black riders
2 x 14 xbows
5 x harpies
9 x doomfire
1 x big black dragon
It's an evasion list and multi combat where possible. I've tested the list and it works well... So far
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jan 3, 2023 14:33:40 GMT
Please elaborate on how Malekith has performed and what some of his tabletop victims have been  ..and Seraphon his faithful dragon of course. |
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Post by thezildo on Jan 3, 2023 20:16:33 GMT
What size army is this? Malekith with Seraphon is 810 points alone, to fit that with 25% lord allowance you would need to field a 3240+ army.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jan 4, 2023 7:23:49 GMT
What size army is this? Malekith with Seraphon is 810 points alone, to fit that with 25% lord allowance you would need to field a 3240+ army. 50% Lords per his initial post. |
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Post by locklust on Jan 4, 2023 21:50:50 GMT
So far he has been great, my problem is spell selection, I tend to go magic missile but end up in combat by turn 2 haha. He has been an absolute beast so far, especially with another dragon helping out. He did die to casket (tomb kings) bar that hasn't died!
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jan 5, 2023 5:07:23 GMT
So far he has been great, my problem is spell selection, I tend to go magic missile but end up in combat by turn 2 haha. He has been an absolute beast so far, especially with another dragon helping out. He did die to casket (tomb kings) bar that hasn't died! Nice, yeah Dark Elves have a lot of out of combat magic missiles/direct damage. Did his ability to see/destroy magic items or Wizards come in handy? I've got the oop Malekith model on dragon but never actually used him in a game so vary curious about anecdotal reports of what he's been able to pull off on the battlefield. What's his biggest scalp or assist been so far? |
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Post by locklust on Jan 6, 2023 6:45:27 GMT
The fact that multi wound doesn't effect him and his 2++ is crazy.
I tend to have alot of models that are a pain if not dealt with, so that helps when running him. The big help is his dragon having good WS so most bog standard troops are hitting on 5s no problem.
Biggest issue is if your playing skilled opponents and they know how to deal with him, so you have to keep that in mind!
Big issue is magic/magic attacks aiming at him and your grasping on 5++ (if magic is targeting him) which doesn't help, magical attacks your pretty much naked but hoping it hits the dragon.
Bar that he is sick as! Ace in combat ace at dispelling and casting, nobody want to touch him really. ASF and eternal hatred.. brilliant
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Post by johngg on Feb 21, 2023 19:20:24 GMT
Is the Big Black Dragon from Monsterous Arcanum ??
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Post by locklust on Mar 8, 2023 16:12:40 GMT
Came 12 / won fairly big 4 out of my 5 games. Got totally hammered Vs demon army with kairos.
Malekith in general was ok, good spell caster. He shone Vs high elves, with eternal hatred he smashes face Vs other elfs. Would I take him again? Probably not I'd defo take a lord on dragon though..
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Post by johngg on Mar 10, 2023 11:06:38 GMT
Came 12 / won fairly big 4 out of my 5 games. Got totally hammered Vs demon army with kairos. Malekith in general was ok, good spell caster. He shone Vs high elves, with eternal hatred he smashes face Vs other elfs. Would I take him again? Probably not I'd defo take a lord on dragon though.. What happenned inthe Daemon game? |
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Post by locklust on Mar 11, 2023 8:28:09 GMT
Basically I was rolling max dice into doombolt onto kairos and kairos was max dicing gateway, by turn 3 he managed to get the spell off and killed malekith and the dragon in one. I failed to cast doombolt 3 times... Sad times. But was fair enough I don't mind losing like that. But once malekith was dead it was game over haha
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