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Post by 1plussave on Dec 11, 2022 13:56:41 GMT
| Mournfang | Maneaters All-In | Lords
Slaughtermaster 395pts: Great Weapon, Lore of the Great Maw, Wizard Level 4
Magic Items: AB - Hellheart, BRB - Armour of Silvered Steel, BRB - Dragonbane Gem
Heroes
Bruiser 163pts: Battle Standard Bearer, Heavy Armour, Ironfist
Magic Items and Big Names: BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - The Other Trickster's Shard
Butcher 169pts: Great Weapon, Lore of Heavens, Wizard Level 2
Magic Items: BRB - Dispel Scroll
Firebelly 179pts: Great Weapon, Lore of Fire, Wizard Level 1
Magic Items: BRB - Arabyan Carpet
Core
Gnoblars 70pts: 20x Gnoblars, Musician, Standard Bearer
Ironguts 381pts: 7x Ironguts, Bellower, Champion, Standard Bearer: AB - Dragonhide Banner
Ogres 180pts: Bellower, Standard Bearer
5x Ogres: 5x Ironfists
Special
Grimhorn Rhinox Riders 355pts: Standard Bearer
3x Rhinox Rider: 3x Heavy Armour, 3x Ironfists
Maneaters 208pts: 3x A Brace of Ogre Pistols, Bellower, Poisoned Attacks, Sniper
3x Maneaters: 3x Heavy Armour
Mournfang Cavalry 210pts
3x Ogre: 3x Heavy Armour, 3x Ironfists
Sabretusk Pack 21pts: Sabretusks
Rare
Ironblaster [170pts]
Total: 2,501pts
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Slaughtermaster 395pts: Great Weapon, Lore of the Great Maw, Wizard Level 4
Magic Items: AB - Hellheart, BRB - Armour of Silvered Steel, BRB - Dragonbane Gem
Heroes
Bruiser 163pts: Battle Standard Bearer, Heavy Armour, Ironfist
Magic Items and Big Names: BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - The Other Trickster's Shard
Butcher 169pts: Great Weapon, Lore of Heavens, Wizard Level 2
Magic Items: BRB - Dispel Scroll
Firebelly 179pts: Great Weapon, Lore of Fire, Wizard Level 1
Magic Items: BRB - Arabyan Carpet
Core
Gnoblars 70pts: 20x Gnoblars, Musician, Standard Bearer
Ironguts 381pts: 7x Ironguts, Bellower, Champion, Standard Bearer: AB - Dragonhide Banner
Ogres 180pts: Bellower, Standard Bearer
5x Ogres: 5x Ironfists
Special
Grimhorn Rhinox Riders 355pts: Standard Bearer
3x Rhinox Rider: 3x Heavy Armour, 3x Ironfists
Maneaters 416pts: 6x A Brace of Ogre Pistols, Bellower, Poisoned Attacks, Sniper, Standard Bearer
6x Maneaters: 6x Heavy Armour
Sabretusk Pack 21pts: Sabretusks
Rare
Ironblaster 170pts
Total: 2,499pts
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Having trouble deciding on these 2 lists, the Mournfang adds an entire additional unit to aid in flanking and forcing confrontations through speed, whereas the bigger Maneater block can pick any hero out of enemy units and shoot or poison their way through most monsters, being specially useful for forcing Phoenixes down. The Smaller unit can't reliably one turn Heroes but is significantly cheaper to lose, the Mournfang also act as backup to the Rhinox and a more reliable option for when frenzied Woolly Rhinos are overkill. The bigger block of Maneaters won't be killed by a single fireball. I'm also torn between Heavens and Beasts on the Butcher; Iceshard Blizzard and Wyssan's Wildform are both matchup-changers. Iceshard nerfs hit rolls and makes those Fear and Break tests easier to fail all in one, Wildform doubles up on the Maw's offensive and defensive buffs and lets units fight their way out of High armour and high toughness enemies. The catch being the much cheaper and greater ranges on the Heavens spells vs the Beasts higher cost and shorter ranges in return for the swing in wounds dealt and taken. |
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Post by grandmasterwang on Dec 13, 2022 15:36:41 GMT
Do you have a link to the Grimhorn Rhinox riders rules?
Where were they from originally.
I think the flying firebelly is a fun option.
I personally like the first list if only for the 6 rhinox/mammoth
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 13, 2022 17:00:48 GMT
The Forgeworld rules for the 8th edition can be found here. I think the WD 309 of September 2005 was the first to feature the Rhinox Riders. |
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Post by 1plussave on Dec 13, 2022 18:46:50 GMT
Them be the breaks on the Rhinos: about 115 points a head vs the mournfangs 70, it buys you a 1+ over a 2+, 1 more strength and toughness, about 2 or 3 more attacks depending on whose interpretation of that frenzy rule we be using, 1 more weapon skill on the rider, 1 more initiative on the rider, 1 more leadership, 1 more impact hit per model, Frenzy and stubborn at the cost of 1 less movement and no parry until they lose a fight.
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Post by Naitsabes on Dec 13, 2022 18:49:10 GMT
I'd find 5pts somewhere to put the Gleaming Pennant on the Rhinoxes for that one critical frenzy bait test. Also a musician so you can quick reform the turn after running down whatever.
Otherwise, cool lists. Six maneater is probably the stronger one.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Dec 14, 2022 3:26:33 GMT
Them be the breaks on the Rhinos: about 115 points a head vs the mournfangs 70, it buys you a 1+ over a 2+, 1 more strength and toughness, about 2 or 3 more attacks depending on whose interpretation of that frenzy rule we be using, 1 more weapon skill on the rider, 1 more initiative on the rider, 1 more leadership, 1 more impact hit per model, Frenzy and stubborn at the cost of 1 less movement and no parry until they lose a fight. 4 wounds on the Rhinox! They are great. Fluffy rules and damn they hit hard. Is it meant for chariot bases? Frenzy RAW (fvon incoming) would affect the whole model so I'm thinking a Thunderlord solo is an amazing choice with extra hand weapon. 7 attacks then 5 for the Rhinox so a 12 attacks at Strength 5 from the single model and that's without impact hits! Thats insane on a 50mm frontage model. 17 attacks maximum with stomp and max impact hits...wow. 2501 points though...in a 2500 point list...tsk tsk |
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Post by 1plussave on Dec 14, 2022 13:35:35 GMT
Chariot bases indeed, would never give the thunderlord a weapon though in favour of the Ironfists.
Points for the Gleaming pennant or standard of discipline is a tough one, personally I don't think I'll let them out of reach of the BSB if I can help it.
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Post by jp10 on Dec 20, 2022 14:03:29 GMT
I would drop a wizard. 3 are too much for 8th edition, will probably be useless and all dices will be used by lvl 4
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Post by 1plussave on Dec 20, 2022 14:35:40 GMT
I would drop a wizard. 3 are too much for 8th edition, will probably be useless and all dices will be used by lvl 4 With the Firebelly being the 3rd and being a flying, firebreathing war-machine hunter I think 3 is just right. The level 2 scroll caddy is just as necessary and does serious work in combat as well. Latest test games are making me think I was crazy not to take Beasts before, T5 and S7 even on the Butcher makes him an unreasonable threat. |
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Post by knoffles on Dec 30, 2022 12:30:18 GMT
Brutally fun lists. I’d favour the mournfang one but that is purely as I’m going through a phase of living Cav of all sorts!
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Post by 1plussave on Jan 7, 2023 0:55:49 GMT
I have rolled Transformation of Kadon in all 4 practice games, This is not a goddamn valid data set.
I should have known probability would fail me when I rolled it in both games vs Nikki.
Edit: I'm also starting to think Mournfang + Scouting Maneaters is the better option, do I do Scouting Swiftstride, Scouting Poison or Scouting Sniper I wonder? And do I keep the Pistols, do my usual additional hand weapon Shtick or take 3 with Great Weapons?
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Post by 1plussave on Jan 14, 2023 22:52:14 GMT
Its going to be the Mournfang one I do declare. The Maneater unit at that size just doesn't shoot hard enough or find targets easy enough to justify their points. Another block of Mournfang to hold a flank is going to be the game changer.
I have decided to throw in a Champion and Great weapons on the 3 man unit of Maneaters and take Scout and Swiftstride. I want to see if a high strength unit can outperform additional hand weapons in the same role.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jan 15, 2023 9:42:21 GMT
I have rolled Transformation of Kadon in all 4 practice games, This is not a goddamn valid data set. I should have known probability would fail me when I rolled it in both games vs Nikki. Edit: I'm also starting to think Mournfang + Scouting Maneaters is the better option, do I do Scouting Swiftstride, Scouting Poison or Scouting Sniper I wonder? And do I keep the Pistols, do my usual additional hand weapon Shtick or take 3 with Great Weapons? How has the spell gone for you? |
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Post by 1plussave on Jan 15, 2023 16:52:15 GMT
I have rolled Transformation of Kadon in all 4 practice games, This is not a goddamn valid data set. I should have known probability would fail me when I rolled it in both games vs Nikki. Edit: I'm also starting to think Mournfang + Scouting Maneaters is the better option, do I do Scouting Swiftstride, Scouting Poison or Scouting Sniper I wonder? And do I keep the Pistols, do my usual additional hand weapon Shtick or take 3 with Great Weapons? How has the spell gone for you? It worked very well, the Butcher becoming fightier really helps beef up his units combat res and it makes him so much harder to kill at the same time. Going for the Hydra seems to be the optimal choice (Breath weapon, armour, regen, 7 attacks) and only going for the Mountain Chimera or Fire Dragon in times of desperation. Its going to be a disappointment now when I never roll it again. Wildform, of course, is always a fight changer. |
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