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Post by Luigino on Dec 27, 2022 3:56:36 GMT
My personal one is to only use painted models.
I mean my opponent could play with whatever they like, but I'd never field models I haven't painted
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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Dec 27, 2022 11:16:45 GMT
That´s agood one.  |
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Post by thorpyuk on Dec 27, 2022 18:39:48 GMT
My personal one is to only use painted models. I mean my opponent could play with whatever they like, but I'd never field models I haven't painted Yeah really like that one. My brother & I are going to go one further and rule that whatever a physical model has, this is the equipment he/they have. EG if your unit has spears, they have spears. No more "that's actually a unit of halberdiers". Does a unit have shields? If the models do, then yes! That does mean I need to stop using my empire handgunners as crossbowmen  |
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Post by thegoat on Dec 27, 2022 21:13:18 GMT
My brother & I are going to go one further and rule that whatever a physical model has, this is the equipment he/they have. EG if your unit has spears, they have spears. No more "that's actually a unit of halberdiers". Does a unit have shields? If the models do, then yes! That does mean I need to stop using my empire handgunners as crossbowmen That is a house rule? I thought WYSIWYG was the law of the land. |
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Post by FvonSigmaringen on Dec 27, 2022 23:13:07 GMT
WYSIWYG is not exactly the law of the land, because then you would have to have e.g. a Wizard model with a visible Dispel Scroll for him to have a Dispel Scroll. There are numerous upgrades or special items you can buy for a unit/model which are not reflected in the available GW models. Indeed, as the BRB p. 88 specifies for weapons: "It is usual for all the models in a unit to carry the same weapons. A unit of Spearmen, a unit of Crossbowmen and so on. It is acceptable for a unit to include a minority of models that are differently armed for the sake of a varied and interesting appearance, but the unit still counts as being armed as the majority. Where models are varied in this way, it is important that the overall appearance of the unit is not misleading."
However, that also makes clear that to proxy whole units you need to have the agreement of your opponent.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 28, 2022 0:52:18 GMT
WYSIWYG is not exactly the law of the land, because then you would have to have e.g. a Wizard model with a visible Dispel Scroll for him to have a Dispel Scroll. Are magic items not secret until first used? There are numerous upgrades or special items you can buy for a unit/model which are not reflected in the available GW models. Indeed, as the BRB p. 88 specifies for weapons: "It is usual for all the models in a unit to carry the same weapons. A unit of Spearmen, a unit of Crossbowmen and so on. It is acceptable for a unit to include a minority of models that are differently armed for the sake of a varied and interesting appearance, but the unit still counts as being armed as the majority. Where models are varied in this way, it is important that the overall appearance of the unit is not misleading." Yes, that is the WYSIWYG I was referring to. It should be visually obvious what weapons and armor a unit is equipped with and whether they have shields or not. Also which models are the standard bearer, musician, and unit champion. I'm a little more flexible when it comes to characters. But even then the model should still reflect if they are equipped with a great weapon, halberd, shield, etc. Empire wizards should be painted in their college's colors. But wiards from other factions don't need to be painted to match the lore (ie. a High Elf mage using lore of metal). |
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Post by KevinC on Dec 28, 2022 5:09:17 GMT
Great topic.
My answer is actually reflected on the fact of why I believe WFB 8E is the best edition of WFB. I believe house rules are unnecessary in WFB 8E. I'm not saying I agree with how every rule works, but I've found 8E to be extremely balanced (especially when compared to previous editions of WFB). If you just play the rules as written, you'll warm up to the rules you don't like. It probably took me about two years to get use to random charges - I didn't like them. Now, I think random charges are an excellent enhancement to the Warhammer game.
I also find that notions of unfairness in 8E are overstated and inflated.
Special Characters are a perfect example, players got bent out of shape with them in 4/5 edition, and players today still seem to cling to the sentiments of the 90s - that special characters are unbalanced. In 8E, special characters are really are not that big of a deal (excluding some of the End Times special characters). In older editions, powerful characters could run roughshod over most units. They can't anymore. You can throw a big unit of Goblins at Archaon and he'll be stuck fighting them for most or the rest of the game (prior editions they'd be slaughtered in one round). I've always found Slann Mage Priests to be some of the most powerful characters in the game, which special characters are really better than Slann?
Anyway, if two players agree on certain house rules, that's all fine, but if you're doing it for the sake of balance, I'd say your should think it over a bit more.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Dec 28, 2022 14:53:01 GMT
Most trees are just normal trees for us.
If we want them to be something different ala blood forest then we will decide.
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Post by thegoat on Dec 28, 2022 15:26:20 GMT
Most trees are just normal trees for us. If we want them to be something different ala blood forest then we will decide. Yes. I can't stand the rules for random "mysterious" terrain. Maybe we will use those rules for a special narrative battle. But never for a stand up fight. I mean how can you not tell the difference between a "river of blood" and a "river of light" without first jumping in and swimming around? Dumb! |
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Post by knoffles on Dec 30, 2022 10:43:04 GMT
Most trees are just normal trees for us. If we want them to be something different ala blood forest then we will decide. We also pretty much ignore the mysterious terrain rules. The one exception is the free wood a WE player gets to lay. They can choose the type of venom thicket (😉) they want for that one. |
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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Dec 30, 2022 19:12:56 GMT
Always liked WYSIWYG.. But like dispel scrolls I treated them as grenades in Farty K, those could be assumed they were tucked in somehwere.. A great weapon or a plasma pistol, I have always modelled. if it was there, I had it and vice versa if it was not there.. Actually made me start to kustomize models way back becuase of need and I started to enjoy it. That said, now, trying to get hold of older models.. Like with my latest Orc mob.. I did not have spears for three boyz which are at the back.. It bugs me but as the command doesn´t have it either, it means 75% do have spears. And I am kidna fine with it. Had i had the spears, i would have used them..And they won´t be using choppas and shield or two choppas. They are spear-Orcs.. I like WYSIWYG - but as with painted. i force it on myself but not others.. |
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Post by gangland on Dec 30, 2022 20:23:43 GMT
Getting into Fantasy late my group was very much not concerned with WYSIWYG. I will say most of our models were more or less WYSIWYG but especially characters we just went with what is on the roster which we erroneously allowed the opponent to see at anytime and vise versa.
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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Dec 30, 2022 22:11:54 GMT
Well, nothing wrong with that? Think I have played most GW games that way - but not all.. 2nd Ed 40k was fun having vortex grenades etc secret.. |
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Post by thorpyuk on Dec 31, 2022 7:51:20 GMT
I agree that WYSIWYG should be the aim, but often it's just not practical- particularly when starting out.. also as has been mentioned, sometimes the models don't exist anyway! My empire army is part-painted, and part-complete, so for EG I use my handgunner models as crossbowmen, but I make I clear beforehand to my opponent.
I did think about having a house rule that line-of-sight should be the full 180 degrees in the front arc... seems a little silly that anything more than 90 degrees is 'invisible' given that most people with good eyesight see significantly more than that, and that's assuming they keep their head fixed dead ahead without any sideways glances
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Post by Grimfang Gogulk on Dec 31, 2022 9:21:30 GMT
Just guessing, but I think you can see it a bit as the leader lacking overall view and ability to command perhaps. It is kinda medieval shit and there is no radio, there is noise and the formations is a way of keeping people in line but it is a bit clunky to command. But I get what you mean. |
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