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Post by Bureaucrat of Chaos on Feb 13, 2017 19:58:19 GMT
Hi,
Just playing around with some ideas for the army I'm painting and the models I currently have (to paint). Any feedback on this list? Would it be fun to play against varied opposition? Too many warriors? Needs more hounds?
WARRIORS OF CHAOS 1750p
HEROES 1 Exalted Hero 128 MoK, Additional hand weapon, Luckstone
1 Chaos Sorcerer 220 Level 2, MoTz, Disc, Talisman of Endurance
CORE 18 Warriors 300 Shields, Full Command
12 Warriors 258 MoK, Halberds, Full command
12 Warriors 234 MoN, Shields, Full command
6 Warhounds 48 Vanguard
Chaos chariot 110
SPECIAL 5 Chaos Knights 240 Lances, Full command
RARE 210 Hellcannon
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Post by Anaris on Feb 13, 2017 23:47:48 GMT
You are better off if you make the unit size bigger, like instead of 3 separate units of warriors make them 2, also nurgle is obviously the best one imo, but instead of khorne I'd try Tzeentch if you give them shields, there parry goes to 5+ right?
I don't like the mok because frenzy can turn out bad and already being short on multiple units, you need everyone to count. That's why I would use a different mark then khorne. I like pure nurgle all honesty. One can have shields other double hw, or both double hw.
Um just having the one unit of 6 hounds is good enough as chaff.
I'd take out the hero and get the sorcerer to level 4
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Feb 14, 2017 0:20:29 GMT
I like my knights with ensorceled blades...unless lances are the way your models look then you have to go with that.
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Post by Naitsabes on Feb 14, 2017 4:39:10 GMT
I would say you do need more chaff. another unit of hounds and/or marauder horsemen. pretty much your entire army is slogging along at M4 so you need to try and control a little bit what hits you. It is a bit of an odd intermediate point level, your units may be big enough as is.
Also, I'd be worried about leadership. frenzy khorne is immune to panic which is a big plus but the rest of the army is one failed Ld8 roll away from ruining your day when the dogs bite the dust for example. Maybe try to fit in a BSB and/or the Banner of Discipline?
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Post by grandmasterwang on Feb 14, 2017 4:57:02 GMT
I really like the list as it's quite how I would picture an army of warriors advancing.
I think it would be fun to play with and against.
Is the Exalted Hero the general and running with the Khorne warriors? It's just 13 is a weird number for a total unit.
Given the theme which is basically pure, elite melee warriors I'd be tempted to drop the Hellcannon altogether (I love my Chaos Dwarfs) as it will just linger at the back all lonesome unless it rampages forwards. Those points could be used to buff up your combat blocks considerably or bring in a BsB.
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Post by Bureaucrat of Chaos on Feb 14, 2017 21:32:59 GMT
Thanks all for great feedback, just the kind of perspectives that I was hoping for! I'll be digesting these comments and see what I can come up with next. Maybe two units of 15-20 warriors and go from there... hmmm...
Thanks again!
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Post by livewaaaaagh on Feb 14, 2017 22:38:01 GMT
I agree with Anaris - Make those 3 units of warriors 2 21-strong units. In fact, agree with Anaris on almost anything. I can't add anything, so I'm going to shut it. lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 19:56:31 GMT
You need a bsb. Your army is mostly ld8 and you'd be surprised how many of those crucial ld tests you'll fail.
I'd drop a few warriors to free up the points, make your sorcerer the general and then convert your hero into a bsb. I'd invest in some kind of ward save for him too, as (personally) I always single out bsbs in combat as the bonuses they give are huge. You want him to be able to survive in combat and a 4+ armor save with a (single) reroll isn't that great for protection. I'll echo what others have said: I'd take two larger units of warriors instead of the three smaller ones. FYI I never leave home with a block smaller than 18, and have been known to run as large as 30, especially if they're sword and board. You lack the killing power of halberds/great weapons and so you need more bodies to be able to last longer in combat against large (I routinely fight units of 60+) units. also hand weapon/shield warriors with the MoT get a 5+ parry so there is that to consider as well. MoK is fine, but beware that a smart/wary opponent knows you HAVE to pursue and so will try and get to to pursue in weird directions to either expose a flank and/or cause you to pursue across your battleline, messing up movement/placement for (possibly) several turns. This is where your chaff comes into play to try and prevent this.
You also need more chaff. Personally I never feel safe without at least 3 units of dogs, but YMMV.
I also favor ensorcelled weapons for the knights. This makes them quite grindy and they are content to last several turns in combat.
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Post by Horace on Mar 31, 2017 13:14:48 GMT
I like my knights with ensorceled blades...unless lances are the way your models look then you have to go with that. Could a lance not be made an ensorcelled weapon?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 19:05:49 GMT
If your opponent is a decent human being then I'm sure they'd allow a unit that is physically armed with lances to "counts as" ensorcelled weapons. I wouldn't encourage it in tournaments, but are there any 8th edition tournaments anymore?
I like the idea of ensorcelled lances actually that's an idea that bears some exploration with my next unit of knights.
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Post by Bureaucrat of Chaos on Mar 31, 2017 21:11:12 GMT
Thanks for the input! I'm playing around with different ideas now, giant, ogres etc., and aiming for 2000p. I really like the current dragon ogres as well. Much will depend on what I feel like painting. Several factors up in the air at the moment, but based on the input here and considering how I like to play I will certainly be planning for:
- More hounds - Bigger blocks of warriors
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 21:56:03 GMT
Best of luck! Make sure and post pictures of your army and your games so we can see! I'll just make one last plug on here before I'm done talking about it but: you really should plan on a bsb as you expand the list. Personally I feel that in games of 1000+ points there should be a bsb in every list you take. There are only a couple exceptions (undead for one). My main army is WoC and I still fail a lot of ld8 tests (Chaos lords and daemon princes are the only way to get higher LD than this), having that reroll is incredibly handy. Remember this applies not only to break tests but things like panic, fear, terror, and pursuit restraint rolls (Khorne cares not for these ). I'm all done I promise.
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Post by Bureaucrat of Chaos on Apr 1, 2017 12:45:35 GMT
No worries Thanks for the input, I can definitely see the point of a BSB and will try to make it fit in.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Apr 1, 2017 14:16:26 GMT
A bsb on daemonic steed would be a nice addition to the small knight unit and he could be run on his own if your opponent lacks offensive spells and shooting.
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Post by Bureaucrat of Chaos on Apr 2, 2017 19:59:25 GMT
In fact I do have the perfect model for that, Arbaal the Undefeated, on a big flesh hound and with a big, pre-printed banner in the box. However, as far as I understand the rules he would only benefit from "look out sir" if there are 5+ models in the unit, not counting the champion. And I do like to run full command. Sure, I could just add another chaos knight, but then the frontage of the unit would be a bit wide, as Arbaal is on a 50X50 base (I think, the box is unbroken). Of course I could just run two ranks (2X100mm frontage) and fit Arbaal in the second rank, but then again a model like that just doesn't seem to belong in the second rank... And now to sum up I have absolutely no idea if the above is intelligible at all and if I'm just painting myself into a corner with a number of particular ideas about how I want to field my models. Here's a picture of Arbaal BTW:
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