EEFL .... Eight Edition Fixed Longterm

I've always thought it could be interesting to roll an artillery AND a scatter die when determining where the cannonball initially lands. You could subtract the BS of the crew from the scatter roll to take into effect their skill in placing the shot. Makes cannons a little more inaccurate. Cannons may be overpriced if this mod is implemented though.

As for game ending spells I've always felt that MR should work against them. I'd propose to allow a MR save against game-ending spells. I'd also limit them to either a single wound (no save of any kind, except MR) or maybe D3-D6 (2D3?) wounds (again, no save except MR) instead of just 'die'.

Those are immediate ideas. Also:

Disruption cancels steadfast (don't know why this already wasn't in there)

Beastmen ambush is the same as in the rulebook.

What are the names of the [alleged] Game Ender spells?

~Dwellers Below
~The Purple something [death ray] ...Orb, ...Bomb
~(and it seems like there was a third candidate)

I never fielded an army that was insta killed by one of them. But I read battle reports of such events and the notion of a game being decided on a single throw of 4 to 5 dice...

I had to file that under: Just Not Good

Those spells are only game enders for people foolish enough to put all of their eggs in a one unit basket.

A game ender? Really? It only gets you 2 combat rounds of boosted strength.

With ASF/Horde/+/- additional hand weapons your typical combat dark elf unit is putting out up to 30-40 attacks to the front hitting on 3/4's rerolling misses, wounding on 2's rerolling 1's to wound at a -6 save modifier. Similar for HE units. Puts out at the top end of possibility around 30-35 wounds with no armor save for TWO rounds. Certainly could be less down to around 21 attacks with roughly 15 wounds at the bottom end. Works against just about any type of opponent (Cav, infantry, monsters etc). Casts on an 18+ IIRC

Push the steadfast horde forward. Let your opponent charge in (or charge them) if you can get your opponent to try a combo charge with a handful of MSU/MMU stuff in your flanks even better (as it ups the attacks). Delete almost all of whats in contact with you in the first turn. If nothing is in contact during your opponents turn sit there with a big dangerous block in the middle of their lines daring them to get inside your charge range or even worse try to counter charge.

Contrast that to say purple sun which kills about 2/3rds of the models it will touch (Initiative dependent of course going with I4 here) requires the caster to be in close proximity to opposing models to get best results. You might get 25-30 models under the template if you are in a good position but will only kill 2/3rd or so of them. So maybe 20 wounds against infantry. The higher cost troops generally will have a higher initiative or larger base size reducing the amount you can get into contact with the template. Against say a 500 point daemon prince you might kill it (1/6) but 5/6 chance of doing no damage.

That's not to say purple sun isn't very good. It is to say Mindrazor is underestimated.

Theres a reason in 8th ed shadow with Dark Elves was a very popular tournament choice.

Thanks for the list.
I thought the main gripe was that these could too easily insta-kill a general. A big deal for some Armies that depended heavily on a specific figure.