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Post by grandmasterwang on May 25, 2017 14:41:08 GMT
I would like to try them one day, especially the harpoon option.
Im still undecided on the unit look but I like the banner.
Considering the dwarf vs skaven lore I am glad the dwarfs have these guys vs all the dastardly weapons the Skaven have. Makes sense with these guys backing up Ironbreakers in the tunnels.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 16:24:16 GMT
I'm surprised the Dwarves haven't devised some form of gas attack themselves. Seems like the most efficient way to clear out tunnels and caverns...
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Post by grandmasterwang on May 25, 2017 23:57:35 GMT
I'm surprised the Dwarves haven't devised some form of gas attack themselves. Seems like the most efficient way to clear out tunnels and caverns... Dwarfs are honourable folk, above such dishonourable combat methods. The only gas attack the dwarfs use is all natural and after a large meal or drinking session!
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Post by mahbruck on May 26, 2017 7:32:33 GMT
I'm surprised the Dwarves haven't devised some form of gas attack themselves. Seems like the most efficient way to clear out tunnels and caverns... Dwarfs are honourable folk, above such dishonourable combat methods. The only gas attack the dwarfs use is all natural and after a large meal or drinking session! That explains they all have terrible sense of smell. Natural selection at its best.
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Post by dannytee on Jun 3, 2017 17:21:24 GMT
I currently have 10 painted up and I use them on occasion and do find that the strength 5 and quick to fire makes them hit hard. I have 10 more assembled and primed and have been thinking for a while now that it would be fun to try running them at 20 with full command and rune of slowness. So maybe this post is what will get me in gear to paint the next 10!
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Post by mottdon on Jun 7, 2017 14:55:24 GMT
Hey, I'm right there with you dannytee! I have 10 painted, and another 10 ready to go, but not assembled yet.
I love these guys. They simply can put the hurt on. I really want more than ten though. That's just too few for me. I usually run much bigger blocks of Dwarves and my opponents usually never get through all those guys so they see a little 10-man unit and hit them hard. Still, it takes a couple of rounds to take all of them out and they wind up taking quite a few with them. I also always put them on a flank because I don't want my center to be very weak. If I add another 10-20, I think that they'd hold my center.
I also agree with the Trollhammer Torpedo. I will take it if I'm facing opponents that run monster, trolls, etc., but it almost never hits for me either. It's weird. Dual Pistols would be much better.
As awesome as the Organ Gun is, I'd be willing to drop them for a 30-man sized unit in my center. That could really dish out some pain. Like Ryryak said, just take a couple of cannons.
For me though, it'll really come down to what type of game I want to play. If I want more mobility, I'm probably going to take Rangers over Irondrakes to distract and hold up my opponent while unit of Slayers and Hammerers approach and Miners wait to appear. Irondrakes wouldn't work as well in a game like that. Unless there is something that I'm overlooking.
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Post by mottdon on Jun 8, 2017 17:44:08 GMT
Knoffles, what is your perception of Rangers? I'm really tempted to use them (seeing as I have 40+), but games are rare enough for me lately, that I'm not sure that I want to blow a game flooding the table top with them.
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Post by knoffles on Jun 8, 2017 19:28:48 GMT
On paper, I really like them. They are the same price as quarrellers with GW and for that 14pts, you also get scout and throwing axes! I know how much of a problem a horde of gw quarrellers can be to opponents so dropping a unit of 40 rangers down could really ruin someone's day! One day I'll run an ambush style list (inspired by swordthain on the bugmans website) and combine the rangers with 40 odd miners (either in a horde or a couple of units of 20). My only issue with rangers in even a normal list, is I'd want to take a horde rather than a smaller unit (mainly down to some bad experiences with having 2 units of 20 fail panic tests from shooting and running off the board on the first turn - damn you skinks) and that would also limit/prevent me taking organ guns (and I love me some organ guns!). Like you I have limited playing time now (and too many armies to try!) so although I'd love to try it out, I'm still refining my list around the irondrakes (so if you do try it, I'd love to hear your feedback).
The one time they are a must take is in strollaz lists, a few units of 5-10 to stop your opponent preventing your vanguard.
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Post by Naitsabes on Jun 8, 2017 22:40:54 GMT
Just dropping on to say I love the dwarf talk. I've recently started up hobbying in earnest on a dwarf army. Now soaking up all the knowledge here. Keep it up.
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Post by mottdon on Jun 9, 2017 18:58:27 GMT
Well, I should have a game day coming up near the end of the month, so I might try them out at that time.
The problem for me though is that one of the guys (3 of us playing) is still very new to the game and VERY competitive. I want to give him a few games of "normal" play first and THEN start messing with his brain. Lol.
I figure I'll run my Lizardmen this time, and then Dwarves, but I constantly change my mind so who knows.
As far as the Rangers go though, if I were to use 40+ Rangers, I'd be VERY tempted to run Joseph Bugman as well. Especially since one of my main opponents plays Vampire Counts and has several ethereal units in his lists. JB's magic weapon could come in useful.
I'd definitely use a Strollaz list when running Rangers though. That's almost a necessity. I hear you on the 2 units of 20 not being enough, but I'd think that 2 units threatening either flank would put more pressure on the enemy (especially with a Strollaz force pushing up fast) than one large unit. Add in some Miners coming from behind, then you've got your opponent surrounded. How often do Dwarves do that?!?
The only other time I can think of them coming in real handy is if you take 1-2 10-man units JUST to harass, divert, block vanguard and maybe take out a few smaller units protecting war machines etc., but Gyrocopters are much cheaper, get there ALMOST as quickly, and have much more versatility in chasing down units than Rangers do. They might be able to buy your artillery guns a round or two more of shooting by blocking their vanguard units and shooting them round one though.
I'm a little mixed on the usefulness of the throwing axes too. I've NEVER seen them used. What do you guys think?
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Post by mottdon on Jun 9, 2017 19:12:33 GMT
I've got JB and 19 of his Ranger band and then these 20 Rangers as well as 20 more that haven't been modeled yet. I'd love to get all these guys in a fight at the same time!
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Post by knoffles on Jun 9, 2017 19:14:28 GMT
The throwing axes are just useful for stand and shoot (SaS) reactions. I'm at the in laws this weekend so no access to the rules but I think they are quick to fire, so you can always SaS (and at Str 4) no matter how close the enemy unit is. Bugman is good and also allows you to upgrade your rangers to elite stats (+1 to WS and Str) which potentially makes the throwing axes even better. I think (though this may need clarification) that you don't have to field bugman with the unit in order to upgrade, so he can stay with your army core as he will likely be the general with his leadership. Note: If you do field bugmans rangers you can't field a full horde in a 2500 point army as they are 17pts a model, which makes them the most expensive infantry we can field (Irondrakes are only 16pts). So tops of 36 of them excluding command
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Post by knoffles on Jun 9, 2017 19:15:52 GMT
I've got JB and 19 of his Ranger band and then these 20 Rangers as well as 20 more that haven't been modeled yet. I'd love to get all these guys in a fight at the same time! Love them. Is the second rangers band for Avatars of War?
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Post by mottdon on Jun 9, 2017 19:37:36 GMT
Yep. AoW models. I lucked out and found a great deal on eBay for 40 of these guys, 20 Thunderers and 20 Slayers. I LOVE them!
- I hate the lighting in the second pic. The red on the models is more akin to the first pick of JB and his Rangers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 20:02:15 GMT
They look good. I ALMOST want to bump my dwarves up in line instead of working on my Dark Elves next. Almost. My dwarves need a lot of work though (they require the most models bought) before they'll be ready to see paint. I also intend to go nice and slow with the paint and give them the love/attention they deserve. So I'll wait. Maybe this time next year they'll be in the plog. On a related note! I have a gyrocopter that I'm not interested in the design aesthetic. I like the newest gyrocopter models so if anyone is interested in a trade/purchase let me know! I don't have a picture but it's one of these: I bought my dwarves online and they took a beating in shipping (kinda mad about that still) and so the main rotors were broken but I've since glued them back on. I also think one of the landing gear is in the process of breaking, but again some glue would fix it. The material is finecast.
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