Dark Elves vs High Elves - 2000p

So thinking about doing Morathi vs Teclis. But I do like the ide of full cc and remove all shooters.

First Fluff
High Elves

Teclis 450

Noble: shield; Battle Standard 97

Caradryan 170

5 Ellyrian Reavers: musician; spears; bows 105

5 Ellyrian Reavers: musician; spears; bows 105

20 Lothern Sea Guard: Sea Master; musician; standard bearer; shields 270

7 Dragon Princes of Caledor: Drakemaster; musician; standard bearer 233

20 White Lions of Chrace: Guardian; musician; standard bearer 290

10 Sisters of Avelorn 140

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower: 2 × Sea Guard Crew 70

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower: 2 × Sea Guard Crew 70

2 000 points


First Fluff
Dark Elves

Morathi: Lore of Dark Magic 375

Master: Battle Standard; heavy armour; great weapon; repeater handbow; Sea Dragon cloak 114

Sorceress: Lore of Fire; Dark Steed; Dispel Scroll 115

5 Dark Riders: musician; shields; repeater crossbows 110

5 Dark Riders: musician; shields; repeater crossbows 110

22 Darkshards: Guardmaster; musician; standard bearer; shields 316

Reaper Bolt Thrower 70

Reaper Bolt Thrower 70

5 Harpies 75

War Hydra: Fiery Breath 180

25 Har Ganeth Executioners: Draich Master; musician; standard bearer 330

5 Doomfire Warlocks: Master of Warlocks 135

2 000 points

High Elves:

All CC is a BAD idea for HE. DE are offensive, whereas HE are defensive...and not very defensive. In most cases, their infantry only have a 5+ armor save. Phoenix Guard have that additional 4++ ward save, but even that's not perfect. And considering that spells from Morathi like "Bladewind" will negate that armor save, you'll be fighting a losing battle. You'll need some good shooting to take out a lot of those chaff choices in the DE list. There's a lot of that. There is a lot of magic missiles that can be cast your way. Doombolt, Chillwind, Bladewind and Soul Stealer all from Morathi (potentially), Fireball (from the Dispel Scroll caddy) and another Doombolt from the Warlocks. That's a lot of firepower in the form of magic. I'd say this is the plan considering that there are much better spells for a Lv1 caster to take (Wyssan's Wildform, Miasma, etc.). Fireball is the best magic missile when boosted to it's ultimate version. (If it were me, I'd simply throw 6 dice at the big fireball every time after I used my dispel scroll.)

Caradryan in with a unit of White Lions is a nasty combo. This unit NEEDS to be sent into his Hydra. White Lions are your monster killers and Caradryan's attacks are flaming, so they'll cancel out it's Regeneration save. Plus, his whole D3 wounds helps from his weapon. Caradryan will also give the WL a touch of magic resistance, so that'll help given the high number of magic missiles this DE list has. This is probably what you were thinking.

Teclis needs to focus his magic on Morathi and that huge block of Executioners. They will eat your forces alive. Remember, HE are defensive, DE are offensive. If you go head-to-head, DE will win more times than not. KEEP TECLIS OUT OF COMBAT. Otherwise, he's dead. Best caster in the game, but will snap like a twig. I'd use my EReavers to give him proper screening/chaff interceptors. IF you have favorable match-ups, then focus on taking Morathi out first with Teclis. Otherwise, thin that Executioner herd. The White Lions will be fairly defensive against shooting and magic. Still, that's going to be your bread-and-butter unit, so you want to protect it as much as possible.

Oh - and Dark Riders will beat EReavers 9 times out of 10. Best to try using the EReavers to box them in and align a charge with your DPs. The occasional magic missile from Teclis can do it too. But if you need to take on the DR with your ER, I'd suggest going in with a 2 wide, 3 deep formation. This will limit their attacks by 1, but you'll still get all 5 of your attacks, due to Martial Prowess. The DR will get to reroll all 1's to wound for Murderous Prowess, though. If you can take a few out with your shooting, that'll seriously help. Remember, you don't want to let these guys through to your backfield, because they will become an immediate threat to Teclis, and his attention will need to be on Morathi and the Executioners.

I'd also focus your shooting on taking out the high number of chaff that is in the this DE list. I'd shoot the LSG at the Harpies first, hopefully taking them out to a great degree, then the bolt throwers at the Dark Riders and the Sisters at the Doomfire Warlocks. The EReavers at whatever needs that little bit of extra shooting to kill off. A second round should weed out a great deal of these. As for the Dark Shards, they aren't the biggest threat on the board, though there is a high number of them. Their main advantage is double-shooting, but this puts them at another -1 to hit. That plus long range and any other modifiers (cover, moving, etc.) should make it really hard for them to hit anything. The White Lions will have good protection vs shooting as well. I'd do my best to avoid any spells that may increase their chance to hit though. At least until you are able to thin them out a bit. Dragon Princes should be able to clear them out rather easily, and that's a big chunk of points. Remember, even though you won't get a rank bonus, charging in the DPs in a 3x3x1 will give you 7 attacks (+3 horse attacks = 10) versus his 10. 2x2x2x1 will give you 6 attacks (+2 horse versus his 8. Personally, I'd rather have all 7 attacks hitting him (+ 3 horse attacks).


That's my 2 cents anyway.

Ah! Well, I was assuming that you were playing the HE! The lists aren't too far off from being even, but the Dark Shards would probably serve you better in two groups of 11. I'd also drop the Guardsmaster and pick up a musician for the other group. Put the Banner in the group with the Lv1 caster. (Give her a bit more of a chance not to run off if they are hit hard. Also, you won't lose so many points in one fell swoop. You can also spread out your shots a bit. (Take out those EReavers and Sisters!)

I'd march the Executioners up as fast as I could, to get into contact with the White Lions, alongside the Hydra and Harpies. Use the Harpies to chaff the WL in a way that the Hydra could get a flank attack and the Executioners hit the front. Their combined might can win.

Push up with the Dark Riders, and Warlocks. Put immediate pressure on his backfield and shooting with them. He'll have to respond. Use your shooting to pepper the unit that Teclis is bunkered in. You take him out, you win the game.

Indeed I will play HE but we will most likely use most of my DE army too as my friends family time leaves little time paiting his new DE army. But I think he wanted to do his own list so I will come back when i know it to get some help with an even HE list to match. Think I ruined his fun by doing both army list. But couldn’t hold back, it’s too fun building lists



Crappy Image I will take more photos of the painted units.

Sweeeeet! Looks like you do have a good start on the painting! (I hope you're happy with the color scheme!) You've got a lot of Executioners and Black Guard there!

Look great!