What armies best represent the upper tier of power level? May 7, 2019 19:37:20 GMT crownprinceimrik likes this
Post by TheGreatHornedRat on May 7, 2019 19:37:20 GMT
While we're talking about Elves - can we please talk about how amazing it is that they get to reroll their hits EVERY SINGLE ROUND OF COMBAT? Warriors of Chaos are ONE bad combat away (unlucky dice) from breaking and being run-down; they almost NEVER have the numbers to be/break steadfast - they have to rely on their great stats and armor to wear down their foes over multiple turns of combat. Elves however almost NEVER have to worry about a bad round of combat as their innate special rules keep them consistently outputting average damages.
I think a lot of the WoC hate is really down to three things: the Mark of Nurgle, the Tzeentch Disc Lord, and the Nurgle Daemon Prince. The nigh-invulnerable and unstoppable Disc Lord and Daemon Prince really make people hate WoC because they just cannot be killed and as they fly are nearly impossible to block up with chaff and stuff like that. People don't like units that are virtually unkillable (that's why the BotWD is so universally despised). The Mark of Nurgle is also insanely good. I'd argue that it's probably a bit too cheap for what it does, but that's just my opinion.
I also frequently hear the complaint about ASF being too good because of the rerolls, but that's something I'd disagree with. It is good, there's no doubt about that, and Elves hit A LOT when they are in combat, but those hits for the most part are very weak. 90% of all elves are base S3 which really is bad. Elven rerolls are great but they need those rerolls to have any chance. Elves hit a lot, but each hit doesn't do much. Other races tend to hit less, but each hit hurts more. Your one bad combat example for WoC is the same for elves, except instead of having trouble hitting they have trouble wounding. Elves are good, there's no doubt, and that's why I voted for DE and HE to be in the top tier, but I think that for the most part they require player skill and a good list structure to win their games. If elves get stuck in a bad combat they are doomed, they have very very little grinding power, I've made that mistake many many times.
All great and valid points!
I'm used to being on the receiving end of elves as skaven though and those "only" S3 hits from the elves suddenly mean a lot more
And elves have pretty potent magic to boost those important combats - I had a unit of spears chew through THIRTY ONE stormvermin once in a single go, all thanks to that #6 Lore of Shadow spell.
Man...I hate being on the receiving end of lore of shadow...