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9th age
Sept 20, 2015 0:47:28 GMT
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Post by legionsofodin on Sept 20, 2015 0:47:28 GMT
Have any of you guys looked into the 9th age stuff. It looks pretty good. It is the sweedish konp and the ETC guys getting together and making 9th edition and they updated all the rule books too! It is still in the beta phase but i will post you guys the link. www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?simple-page/ |
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Sept 20, 2015 11:17:15 GMT
Yes I have checked it out.
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Post by Anton on Sept 21, 2015 6:59:58 GMT
I will probably play it as it will probably be the standard around here for the near future. Most of the players here go to tournaments and I believe the remaining ones this year will do 9th.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Sept 21, 2015 14:19:09 GMT
Here's my problem with 9th Age:
It's not Warhammer...because of IP issues they are not allowed to call the chaos gods by their actual names, races like skaven and units like beastman gors can't use their proper names. I actually have no problem if the world went to a new edition of warhammer (9th) and it was written in a way that reflects what the gamers want. As a fluff man, I don't think I could paint or sit down and play minis in a game that has no fluff. So they are currently looking for writers to create the fluff? ......I just can't do it, man. If Khorne isn't Khorne and Sigmar isn't Sigmar, I have no interest in it. I lokked at the army books and they look good. The rules, what I had time to read, looked fine. It's not Warhammer though. For them to have like this fake version of warhammer would cheapen my experience. If I was a gamer who crunched numbers, playtested OP combos, and went to tournaments to win games, I'd probably like 9th Age. Without the fluff, the names, the rich history of the Olde World...EEFL is the only thing left for me.
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Post by Anton on Sept 21, 2015 16:56:49 GMT
It's just IP cloaking, the fluff stays the same unless I'm mistaken. I don't think they intend to rewrite the background. You could find-replace Cave Goblin => Night Goblin in the finished document for example.
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9th age
Sept 21, 2015 19:33:56 GMT
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Post by legionsofodin on Sept 21, 2015 19:33:56 GMT
There is nothing keeping you from still making all your stuff korne or nugrle r what have you. I also enjoyed the fluff but before i read the fluff i played the game. Hell ny whole army is painted stirland. But i have been playing other ganes and systems and i have not been too impressed with most of it.
You could also write your own fluff.
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Post by KevinC on Sept 22, 2015 12:58:57 GMT
I have not really paid attention to the 9th age. Is that what they are doing? They are changing the IP and making a 'fake' Warhammer?
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Post by Anton on Sept 22, 2015 13:13:59 GMT
They just changed all the names to avoid any potential C&D in the future. It's annoying but understandable.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on Sept 22, 2015 16:13:41 GMT
Yes Kevin, the fluff is currently blank waiting for writers. I assume these writers will not be allowed to use any existing GW fluff. So you end up with fake skaven, fake slaanesh fiends, fake steam tanks, etc. I don't see how the cost of having no fluff outweighs the "we own fantasy battles now and watch us fix all of your mistakes GW" idea. I don't want to be negative about the efforts of that group but if they are so willing to give up the olde world in exchange for better WAAC tournament gaming...I probably wasn't ever going to like their gaming philosophies.
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Post by dannytee on Sept 22, 2015 18:00:50 GMT
Yes Kevin, the fluff is currently blank waiting for writers. I assume these writers will not be allowed to use any existing GW fluff. So you end up with fake skaven, fake slaanesh fiends, fake steam tanks, etc. I don't see how the cost of having no fluff outweighs the "we own fantasy battles now and watch us fix all of your mistakes GW" idea. I don't want to be negative about the efforts of that group but if they are so willing to give up the olde world in exchange for better WAAC tournament gaming...I probably wasn't ever going to like their gaming philosophies. I also really enjoy the fluff, armies, characters, etc. of warhammer. In their effort to update the rules I really don't think they have a choice though. If they were to update the rules and then run with the rules at tournaments (which ETC and Swedish Comp are designed for tournaments) I think legal problems would follow. It would seem to me they could just update the rules (being a vanilla/"non-warhammer" massed fantasy battles game) and the fluff would revert back to 8th edition (would have to be unspoken). So in the situation I am talking about when you or I are playing 9th age it would really be set in the olde world and we would really be playing warhammer. The 9th age rules just couldn't make that reference. About the WAAC tournament gaming, I don't agree that updating and creating your own rules is WAAC. In a lot of ways updating rules can make the rules simpler, clearer, etc. Making the rules clearer can eliminate a lot of the gimicky problems that certain people may choose to exploit. Eliminating these issues would be the opposite of WAAC to me. I haven't read through the 9th age rules but I have seen some over views. One rule that I believe is in 9th age that would be an example of this is that units of 10 or more models (excludes skirmishers and maybe fast cav) must have a minimum of five files. I am sure the wording is different but that is the idea of the rule. This eliminates the ability to do the "conga line". Gamers like you and me never used the conga line anyways because we don't like the look of 1 file 10 or more ranks deep. It looks silly and a ranked unit just wouldn't do this. But the rules allow it so in a tournament we may end up playing against someone who is more interested in the game and rules. So, it is perfectly legal for them to use the conga line and they do so. You and I frown because of the way it looks but the opponent is just following the rules. So by updating this rule the issue disappears. |
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Post by legionsofodin on Sept 22, 2015 18:52:40 GMT
Thats alot of what it is. They are cleaning up the rules and fixing the really abusable things.
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Post by KevinC on Sept 23, 2015 2:30:46 GMT
I'm a huge background guy. In fact, if it were not for the awesome background and imagery of the Warhammer world I fell in love with as a kid, I am certain I would not be playing the game now.
Regarding IP, isn't the characteristic profile and basic game mechanics all IP as well? Do they plan on making a profit?
BTW, what ever they are doing is fine with me. I just don't have interest in that direction of WFB.
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Post by Anton on Sept 23, 2015 4:37:41 GMT
They had some legal advice and this is what they came up with. There won't be any profit but since they are connected to the ETC someone might argue that they are. The ETC doesn't make a profit either but given the size of the event there is obviously a certain amount of money circulating through that organisation.
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9th age
Sept 23, 2015 9:40:55 GMT
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Post by legionsofodin on Sept 23, 2015 9:40:55 GMT
Game rules are not copyrightable honestly if people wNted to they could take warhammer 8th and print off the rules,and sell it nothing would happen. But the intelectual property is copy rightable. So all the fluff and pictures.
The 9th age had to change names and drop the fluff for legal reasons but it is still warhammer. They took the 8th ed rules and are fixing alot of the problems. Which is honestly what most people thought was going to happen if an actual 9th edition did come around.
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9th age
Oct 6, 2015 6:18:37 GMT
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Post by Baronthehumbled on Oct 6, 2015 6:18:37 GMT
What I like about 9th age:
-Lots of nice rule fixes.
-Tons of effort by fans going into it to make it work.
-Awesome links to alternative models for the armies. (Though I now better understand why GW wanted more IP. When 3D printers hit, the internet's going to be overflowing with warhammer alternatives.)
What I don't like:
-Rewriting the fluff and how the world looks. I know the valid reason for it but they might as well of started a whole new wargame.
-Some of the renamed armies. You thought Ogors was bad, try Ogers. Some originality like Paunch Lords or Gut Maulers would be good. Also, Bretonyr....
But as long as the old guard is happy then more power to them.
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