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Post by KevinC on Feb 7, 2018 15:43:13 GMT
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Post by gjnoronh on Feb 7, 2018 17:30:09 GMT
Kevin I like it. I wonder if looking at the model the two little animals should have rules (maybe not.)
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Post by mottdon on Feb 8, 2018 14:14:47 GMT
It sounds great! I'd say that just his Leadership buff alone makes him almost an auto-include for Night Goblin armies!
One suggestion: What if the "Face of Da Bad Moon" special rule also included 'Units within 12" of him get to re-roll any failed Animosity tests'? I feel like that would be a huge boon to All-Goblin armies.
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Post by strutsagget on Feb 8, 2018 17:41:05 GMT
I am not sure about removing special army rules. Think animosity is a part of playing OnG.  |
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Post by gjnoronh on Feb 8, 2018 19:27:41 GMT
How does +1 Leadership interact with inspiring presence. Or for death snipes and 'unmodified leadership.' Does he get a bonus to his own leadership through this ability?
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Post by grandmasterwang on Feb 9, 2018 5:02:24 GMT
So he has no saves at all or am I missing something? Surely the Bad Moon prophet deserves a 6+ Ward (good luck) save at least. Given the 280 points giving him that wouldn't be game breaking/op in the least.
Love the lore...you actually explained the face attachments... I get it now... too look like the bad moon. That's cool, I like the model even more now and no longer object to the nose addition (which at first I thought was unnecessary and looked silly)
Regarding the creatures, maybe a note regarding the spore fog that the cute little beast on his base also emits them.. no game change but lore wise. Looking at the holes on it's back I can imagine it emitting fog/spores from its back everytime it breathes.
Really like him causing fear in OnG armies.
Great and inspirational job as always from the Goblin king KevinC.
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Post by mottdon on Feb 9, 2018 14:00:46 GMT
Well, my thinking about having him "Quell Animosity" is so that you can field a all Night Goblin army without needing the presence of a Black Orc. I see Black Orcs inserted all too often in what would otherwise be an all Goblin army, just for the Quell Animosity trait. I was thinking that it'd be nice to have a Goblin character that could do the same and with this fluff, he fit the bill. Just an idea though. GMW brings up a good point. The no save deal is rather problematic on a 280 point price tag. Maybe he could have an elixir that is a One Use Only item that gives him a temporary 4+ Regen save (to make it different from the Opal Amulet)? It's also on his staff.  |
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Post by KevinC on Feb 9, 2018 14:47:24 GMT
Thanks for the comments guys! Here are my thoughts about everything discussed above. Regarding the critters, my initial thought was to write rules regarding them, but the more I thought about it, I felt it was unnecessary. The Night Goblin boss with the pet Squig from the 7th edition box set didn't have special rules and I thought that's fine. I do like grandmasterwang suggestion of mentioning them regarding the Fog of Spores special rule. Regarding saves, I intentionally did not want to give him a save. He has some minor protection from the Fog of Spores special rule, but he is a really good character to include in an O&G army, especially a Goblin army. His most potent features are very useful: 1. Adding +1 Leadership to Goblin units within 12" 2. Always knows Curse of da Bad Moon 3. Adds +1 to Curse of da Bad Moon His high points costs combined with no save of any kind balance him out - the Goblin player has to be careful with him, as he is vulnerable without any save or magic resistance. gjnoronh question demonstrates the usefulness of his Face of Da Bad Moon ability: Placing Snazzgar within 12" of the Goblin General is very good indeed, for they will enhance each others abilities. When the Goblin General is within 12" of Snazzgar the General's LD is increased by 1 and the General now provides his enhanced LD to units within 12" via inspiring presence. Snazzgar cannot not gain the +1 LD from his own Face of Da Bad Moon rule (as stated in the special rule), but he does benefit from the army General's enhanced LD if he is within 12" of the General. Obviously, this is a really good ability, hence his high points cost and no save. When a spell/item/rules states "unmodified LD," then you use the exact printed LD on the model's characteristic, Snazzgar is modifying Leadership, so his bonus would not apply. |
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Post by KevinC on Feb 9, 2018 14:50:20 GMT
The Face of Da Bad Moon rule is really good already, so a rule that would modify Animosity would be overboard here.
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Post by mottdon on Feb 9, 2018 14:53:41 GMT
Ah. Nevermind. You'll just see the "token" Black Orc in Goblin armies. Still.
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Post by KevinC on Feb 9, 2018 15:05:34 GMT
Ah. Nevermind. You'll just see the "token" Black Orc in Goblin armies. Still. --------Well, I disagree with players who do that. A Goblin army that takes a Black Orc to curb animosity is not a true Goblin army! |
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Post by mottdon on Feb 9, 2018 15:20:00 GMT
I agree! That's why I've been so tired of seeing that happen! It's a crutch and not thematic at all. (I'm a fluff player and love me some THEMES! Lol!)
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Post by grandmasterwang on Feb 10, 2018 14:01:20 GMT
Ignoring animosity aside the other reason people take black orc generals in Goblin armies is the increased leadership. I like the thought of this guy with Skarsnik for a leadership 9 or how he works with a pure Night Goblin (I see him as a night goblin really given the robes and mushrooms) army giving the general a much needed leadership pip.
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Post by emelewitey on Jul 8, 2019 22:29:07 GMT
Very cool rules!
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Post by ozueboxiney on Jul 9, 2019 0:36:32 GMT
This Goblin is totally awesome!
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