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Post by grandmasterwang on May 30, 2018 13:59:43 GMT
So what I like to do is put a doombull with ramhorn helmet/scaly skin and a Gorebull BSB with 4+ ward in the unit with full command 5 wide. When combat starts the two characters make way to the front of the unit displacing everything but the champion and the opponent has to strike at the two characters or at the champion. I'll often challenge with the champion or the gorebull. What I hope to have happen is force as many attacks as possible on the Doombull with ramhorn. The extra attacks from spears/frenzied champion just add a little supporting banging. Frenzy keeps it from fleeing. No protection from templates in the units but my mino characters don't get any in my list (or most beastmen lists as minotaurs are terrible for the cost.) Does provide protection against non template based shooting and spells which helps. Ah ok, the Ramborn doombull build. Ive tried that build a few times (not really a netlist fan) but never had the ungor numbers to try him with ungor.... which like you say are much more palatable points wise than minotaurs. I'm going to have to try that at least once...once my ungor unit are ready for the table. It's like a ungorbullstar almost. How many Ungor do you generally field with this Doombull/bsb bus of doom? Also you mentioned spears (mine are spears), was this due to the models coming with spears (aesthetics) or you actually consider the bull ungor unit better with spears due to the extrt attacks and the parry isn't needed due to the bulls? Also, what points is this normally, I'm guessing the Doombull is not generally your general, or is he? In a 3000 point game as opposed to say a 2500 point one would you add more ungor at all? Cheers mate.
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Post by roughtimes on May 30, 2018 15:18:42 GMT
It's a bit annoying but as a general rule that's a fairly intentional game balance issue. It's also an aesthetic thing for design. Roughly if it's toughness 4 (Dwarves excepted) its on 25 which changes the amount of models in base to base and how many units you can fit into a given space in your battle line. Wood elves had chariots for many editions as well. Its not all deep woods WE chariots are super silly too but the beasts take the cake for worst. I still think beastmen should be merged back with warriors. The old WE chariot model always looked more high elf to me anyway.
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Post by gjnoronh on May 30, 2018 15:39:34 GMT
Ah ok, the Ramborn doombull build. Ive tried that build a few times (not really a netlist fan) but never had the ungor numbers to try him with ungor.... which like you say are much more palatable points wise than minotaurs. I'm going to have to try that at least once...once my ungor unit are ready for the table. It's like a ungorbullstar almost. How many Ungor do you generally field with this Doombull/bsb bus of doom? Also you mentioned spears (mine are spears), was this due to the models coming with spears (aesthetics) or you actually consider the bull ungor unit better with spears due to the extrt attacks and the parry isn't needed due to the bulls? Also, what points is this normally, I'm guessing the Doombull is not generally your general, or is he? In a 3000 point game as opposed to say a 2500 point one would you add more ungor at all? Cheers mate. So it's usually around 16 ungors because that's what fits in my list at 2400 or 2500. Extra ungor bodies don't help the unit do what it needs to do so I don't usually invest free points in them. I run MSU beasts otherwise with units of 10 gors, units of five ungors with bows, small units of harpies, single chariots, units of 5 hounds, single razorgors a Flying Doombull and a Jabberslythe and a ghorghon. Basically the units are all less then 100 points each with the choppy things being less then 300. Doombull general, BSB gorebull, Flybull, 2 level 2 mages one with Chalice of Dark Rain. It takes some careful play to run the list effectively. Goal is to use the chaff (which is almost everything in the list) to bait and flee against opponents, and to ambush some stuff to take out warmachines. Flying bits take out warmachines as well and provide a flank/rear charging threat. The Doombull/BSB aren't really much of a juggernaught unit as only the characters cause any wounds and it doesn't stand up to a beating at all. But they do break most similar pointed units if they can get the charge off. I use the chaff to ensure I get the charge and tie anything tougher then this unit up with chaff and refuse to fight it by and large. Once the Doombull/BSB win a few rounds of combat they start putting out a crazy number of attacks. But lots of things will kill them if you aren't careful. The problem is very little in the beast army is 'good' for it's points and larger blocks of most of them just don't stand up to a similar amount of points from most lists. I think what the army does best is chaff. This list makes the most of what I think the army does best. The other option is the herdstone getting you casting dice and the Beast Banner BSB but a bunch of strength 4 attacks even with primal fury rerolls doesn't go that far nor does an extra 2-3 casting dice.
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Jun 2, 2018 23:02:31 GMT
Or put 1-2 of them on a 40mm base and use them as unit filler in an ungor unit. EDIT: Or a minotaur unit. But who takes minotaurs the unit anyway? They're stupid overpriced. Which obviously saves on ranking them up, you could always do 3 on a base and something else to fill the gap, not something I used to do but now I quiet like the unit filler idea as long as it's approperate. clickable link to Mino listGreg
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Post by gregwarhamsters on Jun 2, 2018 23:09:23 GMT
Didn't think of the Doom bull (or other mino character) in there but it makes a lot of sense, 40x40 fits without a problem in a 20x20 unit no questions asked where as 25x25 is always going to be an issue. Gotta say though, you mentioned round bases To make this weirder I actually play with circle/oval bases in 8th Edition Fantasy with no issue... Bad grandmasterwang bad puppy...
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Post by gjnoronh on Jun 4, 2018 12:52:56 GMT
Fanatics and Warmachines often on rounds in 8th
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jun 4, 2018 15:08:19 GMT
Didn't think of the Doom bull (or other mino character) in there but it makes a lot of sense, 40x40 fits without a problem in a 20x20 unit no questions asked where as 25x25 is always going to be an issue. Gotta say though, you mentioned round bases To make this weirder I actually play with circle/oval bases in 8th Edition Fantasy with no issue... Bad grandmasterwang bad puppy... Bad puppy like this guy? Or this guy? Both will be used in Warhammer Fantasy Btw, like the Tzeentch in your Beastmen list. Let me know how it goes. I'm liking it gives the Beastmen easier access to a minimal ward save. I'm currently working on a Tzeenth marked Tuskgor Chariot for something different. I like the extra options Glottkin granted the Beastmen. Imo End Times: Nagash and End Times: Glottkin were great 8th Edition Fantasy publications. I basically ignore what came after that.
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Post by mottdon on Jun 4, 2018 16:16:39 GMT
Lol, the first pic looks like they're taking a selfie. The second looks like he's grooming him for fleas...
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jun 5, 2018 9:05:38 GMT
Lol, the first pic looks like they're taking a selfie. The second looks like he's grooming him for fleas... I much prefer the first picture sculpt I've decided. Second picture that ungor is about to have a #metoo moment.
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Post by mottdon on Jun 5, 2018 12:00:15 GMT
Lol, "Just a little push..."
I really like your Ungors there, btw.
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Post by grandmasterwang on Jun 8, 2018 3:59:19 GMT
Ungor unit of 35 now ready for the Warhammer Fantasy battlefield all on 20mm square bases. 😀 Good responses, I think I made the right decision to rebase.
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