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Post by askaval30 on May 21, 2018 19:04:50 GMT
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Post by gjnoronh on May 21, 2018 20:09:24 GMT
I'm actually quite excited about it myself. I've got a 7 year old son and a 9 year old daughter. I've introduced them to Blood Bowl and to games like Warhammer Quest but not the full AoS/40K/8th ed line. I'd love to see targeted literature to introduce them to the Warhammer universes. The Star Wars franchise does a great job of having content targeted at various ages that acts like a 'gateway drug.' My kids and my nieces have had various low key targeted content that I hope hooks them on star wars for years. I.E. www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-5-Minute-Stories/dp/1484728203/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526932592&sr=8-1&keywords=star+wars+kids+booksStar Wars also has book series targetted at tweens and then 'adult' targeted novels. Hook them young, keep them fans forever. I know lots and lots of players who got turned on to Warhammer when they were quite young 10-14 including several on this forum around that age. Younger then the 'target audience' for the game but found their way into it somehow. They grow up to be 'adult' gamers one day. The way I approach the game now is quite different then when I was 17 I just caught the bug then and still have it all these years later. Old school GW had lots of silly games and products targeted more at younger gamers. The core game for WFB was much lighter hearted and kid friendly from 4th-6th then 7th/8th were. (5th rule book had silly little cartoons doodled in the corner of the pages if I recall correctly.) Some old GW products that aren't really for 'adults' but were intended as gateway products for teens/children en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_Throwerboardgamegeek.com/boardgame/5690/oi-dats-my-legen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Mastersen.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeroQuestI actually think a chunk of GW's failure over the last 20 years has been to turn away from that sort of easy to get into attractive to the young gateway product. More of those involved 10-20 years ago would mean more adult gamers today. Here's a relevant BOLS editorial from 2015 predates this particular issue but gets at some of the point www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/08/editorial-games-workshop-make-games-for-kids.htmlI know playing with toy soldiers should be "serious adults only" business but I think that just maybe there is room for helping get kids into it again to keep the hobby alive.
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Post by alanthemoderate on May 21, 2018 20:28:00 GMT
I 100% support this, it looks cute and will hopefully get a new generation into Warhammer.
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Post by vulcan on May 21, 2018 21:02:34 GMT
I thought AoS WAS their kid's game...
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Post by mottdon on May 21, 2018 21:36:31 GMT
Hey, after this past Saturday, I'm 100% for this as well.
We just had a new comic book store open in my town and I took my wife and quads to go check it out as a family outing Saturday morning. My quads only just turned 3 at the beginning of this month, so I wasn't expecting much from them, but while 3 of them acted as expected, one of my girls (Molly) stuck with me the entire time and was so animated and full of questions about everything! She was totally throwing herself into the whole environment and eating it up! I took her back to their gaming section and showed her their tables and models, and she got very excited, exclaiming, "Just like you paints! (What my kids call my models.)" After that, when I was checking out with my purchases, I let her select a cube of her own dice to use one day, and as expected, she selected the pink ones. Lol.
All that to say, if there is something that I can feed my kids desire to play with me, then I'm all for it. The seeds of interest are already starting to grow, but I intend to use all tools at my disposal to fan those flames!
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Post by And again... on May 22, 2018 9:16:32 GMT
For once, I'm happy they cancelled Warhammer. Wasn't AoS fluff already aimed to little kids?
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Post by sedge on May 22, 2018 10:58:04 GMT
Anything that gets more young people into the hobby as a whole is a good thing, even if they're not starting out in our niche of it.
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Post by askaval30 on May 22, 2018 12:01:17 GMT
I still can't shake the feeling that their approach is rather backwards.... First of all these aren't games a la Heroquest or Battlemasters, and I cut my teeth on both of those. I'll be the first to admit I am old and my memory is somewhat failing but I don't recall either of those games to be either that simplified (battlemasters had a point system) or being thematically different from the parent games. Simple when compared to WFB? absolutely, but these were 90s games that weren't afraid to throw relatively complex mechanics at a novice player. I'm also worried about the push towards sanitizing the product for a younger audience... hard to be a GrimDark Fantasy game when your palette is composed of bright primary colors, if you catch my drift. Most of us are a product of that time, and I don't think complex mechanics or mature themes scared us away, I'd argue quite the opposite in fact. also AoS... as others said it is a perfect intro game for a younger crowd: easy mechanics, emphasis of black/white moral spectrum, small model count... lots of primary colors... visible absence of naked mammaries (the horror!)
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Post by mottdon on May 22, 2018 12:44:20 GMT
It's certainly not what I'd prefer to play, as an adult, but at the same time, I don't want to introduce my kids (whenever they are 8-12 years old) to Greater Deamons of Nurgle, Slaanesh-anything, Corps Carts, or things like Abombs. I already struggle explaining Dragons and how they aren't real. No, I prefer to keep my kids innocence in tact for as long as possible, while slowly introducing them to the gaming world that I love. If a few books and small games (like Shadespyre perhaps?) can help me do that, then I'm all for it. Now, if GW was intending to REPLACE the adult version of the game with a kids game, then I'd have a problem with it. But as long as it's just another product in a long line of merchandise, then I'm all for my daughters shooting Unicorn farts at my models!
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Post by gjnoronh on May 22, 2018 13:10:40 GMT
Hey, after this past Saturday, I'm 100% for this as well. We just had a new comic book store open in my town and I took my wife and quads to go check it out as a family outing Saturday morning. My quads only just turned 3 at the beginning of this month, so I wasn't expecting much from them, but while 3 of them acted as expected, one of my girls (Molly) stuck with me the entire time and was so animated and full of questions about everything! She was totally throwing herself into the whole environment and eating it up! I took her back to their gaming section and showed her their tables and models, and she got very excited, exclaiming, "Just like you paints! (What my kids call my models.)" After that, when I was checking out with my purchases, I let her select a cube of her own dice to use one day, and as expected, she selected the pink ones. Lol. All that to say, if there is something that I can feed my kids desire to play with me, then I'm all for it. The seeds of interest are already starting to grow, but I intend to use all tools at my disposal to fan those flames! For what it's worth around that age I started to paint with my kids. I used old cheap useless models and my older cheaper paints. I didn't have triplets of course! It's enough stress managing one kid. They really got the bug. My kids started playing warhammer quest cooperatively as a family around age 5-7 that was a huge hit.
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Post by mottdon on May 22, 2018 15:20:17 GMT
Hey, after this past Saturday, I'm 100% for this as well. We just had a new comic book store open in my town and I took my wife and quads to go check it out as a family outing Saturday morning. My quads only just turned 3 at the beginning of this month, so I wasn't expecting much from them, but while 3 of them acted as expected, one of my girls (Molly) stuck with me the entire time and was so animated and full of questions about everything! She was totally throwing herself into the whole environment and eating it up! I took her back to their gaming section and showed her their tables and models, and she got very excited, exclaiming, "Just like you paints! (What my kids call my models.)" After that, when I was checking out with my purchases, I let her select a cube of her own dice to use one day, and as expected, she selected the pink ones. Lol. All that to say, if there is something that I can feed my kids desire to play with me, then I'm all for it. The seeds of interest are already starting to grow, but I intend to use all tools at my disposal to fan those flames! For what it's worth around that age I started to paint with my kids. I used old cheap useless models and my older cheaper paints. I didn't have triplets (quadruplets - 3 girls, 1 boy) of course! It's enough stress managing one kid. They really got the bug. My kids started playing warhammer quest cooperatively as a family around age 5-7 that was a huge hit. Fixed that for you. Yeah, I'm thinking that I'll probably start doing something like that soon. Especially with Molly, my artist. Good to know how other people have handled bringing their kids into gaming.
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Post by gjnoronh on May 22, 2018 18:15:34 GMT
Quads sorry I knew it was more then I could imagine parenting at once. Defintely use the cheap stuff and don't try to paint for yourself at the same time. You want to be in an area that spills are okay as well. The problem I had is after I introduced my kids to it I couldn't paint without them wanting to paint as well.
But now they can paint on their own.
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Post by alanthemoderate on May 22, 2018 20:49:54 GMT
also AoS... as others said it is a perfect intro game for a younger crowd: easy mechanics, emphasis of black/white moral spectrum, small model count... lots of primary colors... visible absence of naked mammaries (the horror!) I mean I hardly think that Stormcast beating the PTSD out of their soldiers, or slaughtering innocent humans because they might have one time heard of Chaos is exactly the type of thing I would want a 8-12 year old reading about. I mean I wouldn't want them reading about Haemonculi from 40k, or Clan Molder from Fantasy either, but AoS can be pretty grimdark at times and I am not sure if I would want kids reading that. I have said before and will say again, this is a good thing, kids can get into AoS or 40k at a younger age, as neither has any real problem with the models being explicit (As far as I can remember anyway), and from AoS at least some will want to try fantasy for at least an occasional game.
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Post by TheREALricksalamone on May 22, 2018 21:17:24 GMT
Ultimately Warhammer (in all of its forms) is about killing people. All parents vary on where they want to start to introduce these concepts to their kids. You may or may not agree with my style but here’s what I’ve done with my son:
He started watching Star Wars with me at 2 and then began playing with the toddler versions of the star wars figures. At around the same time I taught him how to handle miniatures without breaking them. I have a video of him playing 40k (moving models on his own, rolling dice, etc) when he was 2.5 years old.
His drawings from preschool and kindergarten would often feature orcs battling knights, castles, goblins, etc. My son painted maybe 800 points of night goblins from age 4-6. They actually look decent and we still use them from time to time.
Once he started reading he grabbed more star wars material (clone wars and Captain Rex were favorites). He also read my Warhammer army books and all of my white dwarf magazines. For a few years I kept the slaaneshi and racy ones in a different spot. He also avoided any zombies or scary monster minis until he was maybe 6 or 7. He saw them as scary but I recall a tine that at maybe 8 years old he grabbed a movement tray of zombies and said “Dad, I’m not scared of these guys anymore. They aren’t really bloody, it’s just paint”.
Video games (mainly LEGO Star Wars) crept in at maybe 6 years old and that’s when he lost interest in painting minis. The video games actually changed his brain and he could no longer see painting as a fun activity. If I can recommend anything: DO NOT GIVE VIDEO GAMES TO A SMALL CHILD. Little kids playing games on your phone, an iPad, etc is not cute and sets you up for serious problems later.
Regarding the Warhammer children’s books, my son would have loved these and I expect that my 10 year old daughter, who voraciously reads these kinds of series, will be into them.
Parents need to know that the characters in the stories don’t bonk each other on the head but rather are looking to murder their enemies.
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Post by mottdon on May 23, 2018 11:41:13 GMT
Yeah, I'll definitely vet these books before giving them to my children, but I'm hoping that they'll be good.
The Star Wars stuff is a good idea, though I think that we are all "Little Mermaid" speed right now. (Ugh. So many times...) I HAVE been showing them shows like Super Hero Squad and Batman: The Brave and the Bold since they were in bouncy seats. I am so proud that they can identify by name most superheros, Marvel and DC! (The Hulk usually comes with a cute little Grrrr, right after his name.)
We're aiming to take the kids to Disney World when they reach age 5, so most of our shows, and movies will probably be oriented that way until then, but they are VERY aware of Daddy's game and I talk with them about it all the time. And I have a stockpile of Orc Boys and Goblins ready for my littles to paint up.
As far as the video games go, that's a tough pill for me to swallow, since I was one of those old-school gaming generation geeks right up until the kids were born, BUT I can totally understand your point, Rick. I've honestly been debating that for a long time. I have literally, hundreds of games stored in an armoire solely dedicated to them. I also have every Nintendo system that has ever come out (though I stopped after the Wii), all the Playstations and an X-Box, so the biggest challenge for me would be finding enough TV set-ups for all 4 children to play on. (Forget my phone - THAT'S MINE!) All that to say, I've got the sets and games ready to go, but I don't want them to become a mindless zombie like I was for so many years.
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