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Post by gregr on Jan 8, 2019 21:36:32 GMT
Hey All,
I really struggle to paint eyes. Has anyone got any tips?
Cheers
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Post by mottdon on Jan 8, 2019 22:19:04 GMT
You should probably invest in a set of these: Simply paint the eye socket a white color (I prefer an off-white) and then dot it with the .005 pen. You might have to take some of the flesh color you used and push it up to "form" the eye shape. Easy-peasy!
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Post by gregr on Jan 8, 2019 22:59:28 GMT
Cheers Mottdon. I've actively avoided painting eyes for so long it's probably time to bite the bullet. When I've done it, they've always come out boggle eyed or look like they have blown pupils!
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Post by vulcan on Jan 9, 2019 0:07:12 GMT
My solution was to start doing the eyes first. That way if they come out weird, you can strip and redo without wrecking the rest of the paint job. Once the eyes are done, you paint the face around them.
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Post by Naitsabes on Jan 9, 2019 6:02:17 GMT
My number one tip is don't do a dot for the pupil, do a vertical line. Looks a lot less like a maniac mass murderer. Try to get the black line in the same place in both eyes.
Basically, I do an off-white horizontal line and a vertical, ideally a bit thinner vertical line. Then use a brown (a bit darker than your flesh color) to neaten up things as needed. Often that means painting over bits of eye to make it smaller.
All of the above is for 28mm models. For big eyes I think it might help to look up one of these high end painter tutorials and adapt from there. Incidentally if anybody has a link, please post...I have a giant on my painting table at the moment.
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Post by strutsagget on Jan 9, 2019 7:06:37 GMT
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Post by gregr on Jan 9, 2019 7:20:55 GMT
Cheers all!
I will give these tips a go at the weekend and then I'll have my January promise of an artillery piece and crew done!
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Post by Horace on Jan 9, 2019 9:51:12 GMT
I personally don't use pens, I pretty much do what Naitsabes says - the neatening up with brown is a particularly good tip (assuming we are talking human skin tones) as this will be closer to the colour in the eye socket recesses if you have washed them. The other thing I do if the eyes are not super super small is to try and put a white dot (or other lighter colour for red eyes etc) onto the middle of the pupil. It is quite effective. This also ties in with how I would paint larger eyes where I would use the gemstone principles I think
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Post by sedge on Jan 9, 2019 15:04:40 GMT
I'll give a dissenting view, and say that 90% of the time you don't need to bother painting eyes. People get het up about painting them, because they're tricky to do and can quite easily look terrible, but for a lot of models they're not necessary. For infantry sized models, anything with a helmet that ends around the brows or has sideguards, there's virtually no point painting them as they'll only be visible close-up, as below: Even unhelmeted models, it's rarely necessary - for example this is a fairly close view of a unit of dwarves (closer than you'll normally look at them when gaming) and taken from the angle you'll usually see them from - only on the character can you kind of pick out the lack of eyes and that's because he's facing a funny angle: Bear in mind also that photos of models on forums tend to display them at much larger than the actual size of the model (if viewing on a PC/tablet), making the lack of eyes more noticeable than they actually are in real life. I often just use a thinned wash of Drakenhof Nightshade (dark blue) around the eyes, which works well for "evil" models like Dark Elves, Chaos Warriors and so on. Don't go too heavy on it, or they'll look really tired, badly made-up, or like they have black eyes. On the occasion you feel the need to paint eyes on infantry characters, I'd suggest darkening down the recess first with a wash (either a flesh wash or thinned dark blue as above) then use some thinned (but not too much) Celestra Grey or Ulthuan Grey to get a thin horizontal line. Be prepared to manoeuvre the model around so you can get the best angle to access the eye socket - don't approach head on, and you'll often need the model upside-down for one socket. Then very carefully do a pupil in black - and Naitsabes' tip is key; if you just do a dot your model will look surprised. If you do a vertical line it looks much better. Then go back and tidy up... it can take a few attempts but don't make perfect the enemy of good. I absolutely hate painting eyes so do it very rarely, but with some patience you can eventually get something like this: I'll note that I'm talking about infantry humanoids here - bigger models will generally need eyes as they're much more prominent, and anything beastlike (such as Gors) you can just paint the entire eye red (or yellow or whatever) and it looks fine - no pupil needed.
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Post by mottdon on Jan 9, 2019 17:46:13 GMT
I agree with MOST of what sedge is saying, but there are times when (especially with characters) a model needs the eyes painted on - whether they are helmeted or not. They will garner more attention over the random rank and file troop and might even be picked up and inspected from the random person walking by (this has happened to me a LOT!). I also find it MUCH easier using the simple pens I posted above to make the eyes. It's no problem to circle it out to the size you want. I do this every time and it has saved me SO MUCH time and effort over trying to get the right amount of paint of a tiny brush tip and apply it evenly. I think that this is where many people struggle and get frustrated. I used to use the brush, but once I swapped to pen, I'll never go back.
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Post by sedge on Jan 9, 2019 18:37:31 GMT
Oh man, you even posted the same models. You're putting my blind Dwarves to shame! One different thing I wanted to add was for bestial eyes, black works well, as that's the colour most livestock's eyes look from a distance.
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Post by mottdon on Jan 9, 2019 18:57:59 GMT
Not to shame, just showing the difference between painted and unpainted. It might or might not matter to someone. I thought I'd just offer a comparison.
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Post by sedge on Jan 9, 2019 19:26:22 GMT
No worries, it was a good call. You're right that characters are more likely to be closely inspected, so probably deserve to have eyes.
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Post by gregr on Jan 9, 2019 22:27:40 GMT
Cheers guys! I was only going to do eyes for characters/small units as my 30man units all blend into one anyway...hopefully!
I'll post up some pics when do for some feedback! Eyes are the only thing I've tried to avoid full stop....
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Post by gregr on Jan 9, 2019 22:36:23 GMT
Also, Mottdon, having a poorly painted/average army means I never suffer from the random picking up of models 🤣
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